Vermintide 2

Then I guess I'm not re-installing the game then.

>None of the weapons or classes are P2W,
Grail Knight
Outcast Engineer
Mace and Sword
Tuskgor Spear
Dual Hammers
Elven Axe,
Spear and Shield
Axe and Falchion
Bill Hook
Crowbill
Flaming Flail
Throwing Axes

Fuck off apologist. Zero tolerance for P2W.

More maps
More weapons/classes (behind paid DLC though so only get them on sale)
Better balance between weapons and classes
Enhanced visual effects
Much better connectivity especially when you're not hosting
(Mostly) fixed special and patrol spawns

I want crowbill but I'm not paying for a dlc nobody fucking plays.

None of those are downright better than the alternatives, some I would say are pretty mediocre even. I'm not advocating for hiding those behind paid DLC, but they are not P2W.

Sidegrades are P2W. Anything that affects gameplay and can be paid for is P2W by definition.

Just get the DLC somewhere else or on sale. I managed to grab all 3 of them for like 4€ each.

>Anything that affects gameplay and can be paid for is P2W by definition.
No, P2W is by definition "pay to win". You pay money to get a clear and definite advantage over others. A new class that doesn't clearly outperform the others is not an advantage from a gameplay point of view. Honestly I'm not sure why you're so upset about it when we agree on the core of the problem (hiding additional content behind paid DLC in the first place).

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No. ANYTHING that affects gameplay and can be purchased is P2W. Anything that affects gameplay can theoretically provide an advantage in some capacity, and it does not matter if that item can be acquired without spending money. The fact that you CAN spend money to acquire it is enough. Sidegrades and Boosts are P2W.

What isn't P2W are things that have no gameplay benefit, or that are only functional when everyone has them. Cosmetics, soundtracks, etc are never p2w. Maps are not P2W because they can only function on an equal footing. Weapons and classes are ALWAYS p2w, no matter how subjectively shitty or cheap they are.

I don’t like vermintide 2’s dlc user but you are mistaken about what P2W means

>Sidegrades and Boosts are P2W.
They're not sidegrades or boosts. A new weapon in V2 is a pretty heavy change of gameplay and can be treated more like a mini-expansion than just, say, a new gun in CS.

Anyone have any tips for how to deal with the huge difficulty gap when you go from recruit to veteran? I'm well above the level recommendation, but every time they kick my ass. I think my biggest issue is how you go from recruit throwing way too many items at you, to veteran giving you almost nothing. I dunno if it's just RNG fucking me or what, but we'll go through an entire level on veteran and only find three potions.

I don't say that often but you might just be really fucking shit at video games.

Not him but its p2w. Get over it.

Why do fags get so upset when you point out the obvious about their favourite game being p2w. You want v3 to have paid restrictions for weapons again? Are you that much of a boot licking corporate retard?

This is why Deep Rock Galactic shits all over vermintide, sold more copies, and will be around years after V2 is dead.

very helpful thank you

You're not wrong but dont expect corporate cock suckers to admit otherwise.

I don't want any DLC in the first place, I pointed that out to you two times already, we're on the same side here but that doesn't change the fact that you don't seem to know what "P2W" means.

Make blocking and shoving a part of your horde clear. Tag specials and try and kill them from range. Keep an eye on your rear because slaverats poking you in the ass is deadly. Kill the mobs before you fight the boss.

>keep saying since the beginning that I dislike DLC as a practice no matter the content
>NO YOU HAVE TO SAY IT'S P2W OR YOU LIKE DLC! SAY IT, SAY IITTTT!!
The fuck is your problem.

>PVP still not added
Goddamn what a bunch of hacks.

Was a retarded idea in the first place. PvP works in something like L4D because it was made from the ground up with that in mind, Vermintide doesn't support it at all, neither in design nor in technology.

No compromises. P2W isn't allowed to be defined in subjective terms like "better" or "stronger". We use a strict defintion that can decide in an absolutely objective fashion. Does X alter gameplay y/n. Can you spend money on X y/n. If you answered yes to both questions, it's P2W.

So expansion packs are P2W, alright buddy.

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Your definition is still wrong. Nobody said anything about "better" or "stronger", you just made it up as a strawman. If you can pay money to get an advantage it's P2W. If it doesn't give you an advantage it's not P2W. It's that simple. I remind you once again that I dislike DLCs in the first place so don't use your bootlicker buzzword again, thanks.

>any kind of additional content is P2W
You're just being stupid now.

Cannot wait to kill this faggot as Gotrek and Felix, considering it would be the only reason to use those retards.

I'm still baffled how much they fucked up the implementation of those two.

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>We use my retarded definition that diverges from all other normal uses of the word to be "absolutely objective"

Holy fucking shit are you retarded for real?

Also, get good shitter. The base game gives everything a group of non-shitters need to dominate. You have Shade, Huntsmen, Ironbaby (or slayer if you're a chad), and the beamstaff which is still of it's shit OP.

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If they just had some halfway decent full army buffs like a flat ward save or something it would be fine but at this point they just fuck up your army stats to use them and they're not unstoppable enough to justify that.