Disco Elysium

If you adopt Revachol Nationalism as a "Thought" (Perk, basically.) you take damage every time you say anything nationalist.

No other political thought is like this, only nationalism.

and the upside being? Surely you dont just take a perk for the sake of health damage

> Despite the game claiming to "Punch all sides" and present a diverse range of political opinions, in order to unlock right-wing politics, one must subject themselves to health damage every time they choose one.
> Choosing left-wing options will reward the player with health, experience and even money.

Honestly, the more I read this, the more it seems to reflect reality. Toeing the party line of the left, and your masters reward you, but claim to be on the right, and your life will be a difficult one

That's a pasta
Also the perk that damages you is actually fascism

Increase physical stats whilst drunk.

No, it isn't.
discoelysium.gamepedia.com/Revacholian_Nationhood

SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP WHY ARE PEOPLE SO OBSESSED WITH POLITICS
JUST PLAY THE GAME

>Support Fascism and your stomach (Endurance) will contact you.

thats what i feared, hopefully its not just a childish strawman and makes sense in the context of the game

And you never have to select another fascist dialogue again, meaning it's one of the few thoughts with only a benefit

Meanwhile Ultraliberal and Communist thoughts give you stat reductions

No, it's entirely a childish strawman, don't worry.

>That's a pasta
Even if it was pasta, does it make it untrue?

>Min-maxing in a VN
????

Which makes sense given the current political situation in Revachol. Also communism and capitalist thoughts carry penalties too, only the centrist option has no downsides.

politics is fun if done correctly in games. see deus ex

Once you softlock yourself into an ideology (facism, communism, centrist or neolib) you gain additional dialogue choices. Picking communism rewards you when you select commie choices, while being a facist gives you a health hit when you choose facist options.
Desu I'd say that coopypasta is a bit over the top, choosing facism grants you a near permanent +1 to your STR skills while communism hits you with a -1 to two skills, and the bonus is barely enough to just to break even by endgame. It also makes sense give the setting, where your nation and what appears to be society as a whole is collapsing

Biggest offense is that its mediocre VN with a gimmick (So many options to play through the game! Except its linear as shit, even for a VN).

>what is Hardcore mode
Gee Billy, it's almost like it's an RPG

>mfw french speaker

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Okay, so, how does communism rewarding experience make any sense?

Here is the deal. The game wants you to have strong opinions on things because it's more interesting that way. If you choose the centrist "oh gee I don't know" options then the game makes fun of you for being an indecisive pussy. If you choose the communist dialogue your brain will make fun of you and if I remember correctly being a communist can give you a debuff to the logic stat.

So naturally what happened is that some Zig Forumsirgins picked the fascists options. When the game made fun of them they threw a hissy fit and rage quit the game and also decided to dedicate time to shit on it or post copypastas every time it pops up on Zig Forums. Even if you are bothered by politics in storytelling, just know that the game isn't written by Californian jews who think "saying Trump is dumb is politics". I like to think politics are a bit more nuanced in Europe where you don't just call the other side retarded and pat yourself on the back for being so into politics.

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I played it and it’s pretty engaging, the dialogue and story is VERY well written.

Also wtf is up with all this copypasta?

>Game heavily features politics as a main element
>Reeee stop politicking!
Shit nig at least the game isn't so over the top that we can occasionally have a discussion about it.

But, it's not an RPG.
It's not even got combat.
It's a Visual novel.

Why is Zig Forums okay with Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines and Fallout which have leftist bias but not okay with Disco Elysium? Really gets my almonds milking.

well its an innovative title. its bound to piss people off.

t. haven't played the game
If you did you would be more upset about the way this perk is present to you than the contents of the perk

Iirc Neolib has no real downsides and is flat out a sizable money boost.

Americans got as far as finding out the devs are Estonian champagne socialists and took offense that the game doesn't fellate right wing politics

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figure out what the hold up is and help them with it I guess

how can OP discuss it, if he hasn't even played it moron.

But, it is an RPG
You have literally no arguments against this without trying to redefine RPG in every way that excludes "games I don't like"

You lose two levels from useful skills for at best a +1 net total skill advantage by endgame. Ironically facism or neoliberal is the best choice as the penalty is piss easy to avoid.

Zig Forums has never been okay with leftist visual novels.

Well you are a cop working for a neolib state. Aligning with your faction should be beneficial for you surely

Okay, but how does it make sense in the lore of the game that communism gives experience?

VtMB is as "letfist" as this. In that it has commies and paints them as generally the good guys but not exactly. Same thing here

Maybe try reading the thought descriptions yourself?

Politics are a dialogue-influencer and no matter which political direction you choose, it has completely failed in the game's setting, everyone following the ideology is a caricature of their real-life counterparts, it is played for laughs, and your own subscription to that ideology is from the POV of the playable character who is extremely drunk and extremely depressed.

People who take the game's politics seriously are fucking losers who can't not take anything political seriously. Do not be like those losers who think Disco Elysium's politics are serious and you will enjoy the game very much.

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The same sense that saying ultraliberal things makes money appear in your pockets by magic you sperg

Only if I want them to go from 99 to 4% lel

But it literally feautres no elements of an RPG.
There's no combat, no multiple endings, you don't even make your own character, your choices all mean nothing, there's no branching paths, no alternative areas or anything like that what so ever.

It's probably explained in the perk description. For example, this is one that I got for critiquing art a lot in the game.

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>no multiple endings
You didn't play it
>your choices all mean nothing, there's no branching paths
You didn't play it

The cryptoids want society to be wiped clean so they empower communists, eventually leading to society falling and easing the pale for a few centuries.

Because you're not showing the full picture
discoelysium.gamepedia.com/Mazovian_Socio-Economics
LEFTIST options give you experience if you're communist. It also degrades your authority and reaction speed, how will you spin this as a positive I wonder

I mean, I'm pretty sure the new one will be panned pretty hard for it's politics, so, I think you're being a little premature.
Disco has no gameplay, it's just a political visual novel, of course people are going to discuss the politics.
It's not like we can discuss the great combat it's got going on, or the class and build variety. It doesn't exist.

well looking at the stuff in the this thread so far, it doesnt seem half bad. I love political themes in games, as long as it can be clever about it. Thanks user

Retard

>One LITERALLY KILLS YOU
>another gives -1 to some minor skills that have like 5 checks in the entire game

Commie one should really be -3 int if you retards can't see the disparity here.

It's not a VN. It's an RPG without combat. Combat usually being the worst part of well written cRPGs so I'm more than OK with it.

>one has a downside you can avoid by not clicking on those options with zero repercussion
>and a huge benefit that's far above and beyond any other perk in the game

The game does not have multiple endings.

The game will always end with Kim discussing your performance.
You will always be forced to help commies and niggers kill some white guys.
You can even skip literal days and the game will just say "Doesn't matter, this happens now instead". It's absolute illusion of choice, and you're a complete brainlet if you fall for it.

>It's not a VN
Nigger Princcess maker has more rpg elements but nearly anyone thats played it refers to it as a vn.

This. Right-wing Americans getting offended, what else is new

Quit being a "well ackchually" nitpicky nigger

No, it's a VN.
You literally walk from person to person reading pages and pressing "Next page".

Nah going sober has the best boon, you lose the STR bonus from booze but STR kinda sucks anyways and you can just sell it instead to make some extra money from it.

You play the role of a drunk detective and it is therefore a roleplaying game.

Absolute fucking brainlet.

In tabletop RPGs you can face problems like "how are you going to get down the body from that tree". You can roll the die and use your chosen stat to hopefully do it yourself or go on a quest for someone else to have them help you. It's an RPG inspired by tabletop.

Basically this

Glad I didn't pay for this game, it punishes you for nationalist choices for no reason whatsoever and depicts a world where race is meaningless and doesn't really exist which is utopian bullshit

Yea, kinda, I don't know shit about the voice actors but I think I can argue about the rest
>the world is an entirely different one and the different slurs are there to further alienate the world while I think I remember that you can complain that faggot is censored in-game and it's also the only word censored AFAIK out of all the different insults
>Kim Kitsuragi will leave you if you piss him off enough times, but he's a total bro and never actually makes his sexuality evident either, the only way to find out is after unlocking a Thought (the Thought complains at you for spending so much time thinking about your own sexuality, but then allows you to directly ask Kim if he's gay and he'll just say yes)
>the fascist thought gives you even more buffs when drunk
>you aren't rewarded for your political views but the "ultraliberals" in the setting are hardcore capitalists, you can go to one of them to give you money to pay off the bar damage regardless of supported ideology at the start of the game IIRC
>the game is somewhat unconventional but it still is a roleplaying game for allowing you to go through things in so many different ways

>the new one
What are you on about. Anarchs in the original are full on commies, how did you not notice that. Did the Che Guevara imagery not give it away
>Disco has no gameplay
You can say the same about VtMB. Nobody's discussing COMBAT in VtMB threads surely, it's pure shite.

>Playing through game
>have to get into docks
>giant nigger blocking my way
>says white people are no longer the masters
>have to "internalise race theory" or specialise in some physical trait to fight him
Lmao, anyone who paid for this game is cucked.

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This. When I played the game it made fun of communism a lot, so I was really confused by all the people talking about how it's commie propoganda or some shit.