Here's an idea

Yep guys I'm thinkin majima goro is based

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They did the opposite. They took a crazy meme character and made him normal in 0.

Wish the writers would let us know a little more abiut Hannya Man from the colosseum

Doesn't exactly help that if you go from 0 to 1 ((before they'd really figured out what to do with his character other than just being a fun wild card-ish bad guy, comes across as tonal whiplash.

That's why I'm not sure about people playing 0 first, even if it's a better game than Kiwami 1, seeing people go through it that way just feels like a wrong set up. Better to start off with Kiwami 1 and then at least getting through 2 if not the whole series before playing 0, that way you can understand from the start what kind of character Majima is and what changes he went through.

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Playing in release order also gives you a better appreciation for how the series evolved and allows you to enjoy the objectively better version of 2. The PS2 games have a unique identity that is a legitimate shame to miss out on.

I don't know, I played 0 first then Kiwami, but I'm not retarded enough to think it's the first in the franchise, but more like a collective celebration of everything that came before it. Because of that, I was perfectly aware of Majima's personality in the preceding titles.

Then again, some people are dumb and just take things at face value. If nothing else, going from 0 to Kiwami really made me appreciate Nishiki's character.

I liked the part where you reach the end of the game and everything is fine and dandy, and then he literally transforms into a completely different person out of the blue for absolutely no reason. Oh, wait, no, I didn't, so I dropped the entire franchise right there and then.

They definitely did Nishiki right in 0, made him a TON more sympathetic and likeable, but even then, that's just another thing that might work better in retrospect after playing the first game/the series.

Maybe it just depends on the person, my brother ((who didn't know that much about Yakuza)) played 0 first and had a somewhat similar reaction to the OP where they got a little put off by how sharply Majima's character changes in 1, even though Majima did say he was going to live his life to the fullest and all that in 0, the change from that to his more simplistic depiction in 1 was a pretty strong switch, though he did still end up liking 1 as a whole.

Maybe that, and maybe because Yakuza 1 was released in 2005 and they had shit writng back then and just wanted a quirky bad-guy-but-friend character
People tend to over analyze a 15 year old video game plot

> you reach the end of the game and everything is fine and dandy, and then he literally transforms into a completely different person out of the blue for absolutely no reason.
Did you skip these two scenes user?
youtube.com/watch?v=CIv7byZ8CeU&ab_channel=SteelOfBallsMoments

youtube.com/watch?v=B0rQLIpi2ck&ab_channel=SteelOfBallsMoments

based retard

>Yakuza character
>well written

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That's fair enough, but if something has "0" in the title, it's already a red flag and pretty much implies it's part of a long-running franchise.

Oh I get that, rather I mean that 0 serves to explain the personality shift he had throughout the titles.

Except the writer from Yakuza 1 and 2 was a renowned crime author and the quality of writing fell off a cliff after he left. Only got decent again with 0-6-J-7.

majima in 0 is an amazing character

Exactly this

Guy goes through shit in 0.
Decides fuck it be zany.

Then his bro comes back, talks some sense into him

And he's honestly pretty darn sane in 4 through 7 again

Not that user, and while I agree in regards to the overall story writing, Majima being the way he is in 1 isn't really super complicated, besides having hints of a code of sorts.

>Yakuza 1 and 2 was a renowned crime author and the quality of writing fell off a cliff after he left

what, Yakuza 1 story is by far the worst of the series and Yakuza 2 is kinda okay I guess.
If that's really the case that a "renowned crime author" wrote the mess that is the Yakuza 1 story, than I'm glad he left, because with Yakuza 3 the story increased quality wise 100%

It's the opposite, he was crazy and they decided to make him normal for some reason

Yakuza 1 play out in very a straightforward way (yes even having a slimy politician plot twist involved in the end). It's hardly the "worst" when more retarded shit has happened throughout the series.

Yakuza 2 has stronger characters overall, but it's also where the plot twist marathon starts to creep in until it becomes the bread and butter of the entire series where it just gets worse and worse.

As somebody who played both original Yakuza 1 and the Remake, Majima's characterization really wasn't helped by the remake. Back in original he was just another gang boss, who you fought twice.
But he ended up being a fan-favourite, and became just crazier with each new entry, and after he had been playable in 0 people wanted even more Majima, so of course they had to add in bunch of scenes for him, which made the narrative feel really ham-fisted. Like, originally he gets stabbed after the first fight, and you only see him again after he crashes the brothel. That whole thing with Kiryu meeting him in docks where he gets shot randomly was Remake addition.

he's only pretending. nishitani literally lends him his personality and makes majima swear to himeself to never be played like a fiddle again. they had such a great dynamic once they stopped trying to kill each other.

It's been years since I played the original but I just played Kiwami. Wasn't there way less Majima in the original? I think the change would be way less jarring if he didn't pop up dressed in a new costume every 10 minutes. My impression of him after the first game was that he was more deranged and fickle than full on wacky.

He was le crazy first you retard.

Eh, those parts felt more haphazardly applied to accomodate the Majima Everywhere mechanic than a straight up story retcon. If you're made aware of how the original played out, it's easy to see where the main story takes his character vs the added parts in the remake anyway.

He was more tough guy gangster crazy than outright wacky. The added Majima content is the new gimmick that plays up his personality antics from the later games.

I feel that overally plot in first two games is fine, but the experience is hampered by story coming to half to Kiryu to do some random shit. I don't even mean side quests or minigames, but him dealing with Florist's son, or Date's family.
Yakuza 2 also has really apparent time wasters, like the parts where you have to go beat up bunch of nerds halfway across town to get a key phrase to enter their hideout. I can only imagine how frustrating those were to do on PS2 when the games had way more loading screens.
People shit on Yakuza 3 for having first part where Kiryu just looks after the kids, but after all the shit that he's been through, I thought that part was pretty nice and comfy, and all the silly stuff that happened actually fit the story going on. But the serious part of the game really suffers from writers trying to pull twist after twist from their ass, and the villains of the game suck shit.

Idk if we played the same Yakuza 1, but as far as I remember, Yakuza 1 had a clone of a host that gets shot by Dante on a roof, and because of that Dante get's accused of murder, even tho he is a cop.
Overall, it's okay to have different opinions, but most of the time I was playing I was just sitting there and thinking "what the fuck is going on, this makes no sense whatsoever", and the game had a lot of those moments

The more I played, the more "grounded" it got, because the story of Yakuza 1 was so over the top, just wasn't for me

Are you a fucking retard? Try playing the games in order next time, it's the opposite that happened.

People shit on Yakuza 3 because the dropped the Kaoru romance in the most cheesy way possible after all the 2 buildup
I BOUGHT PS3 to play Yakzua 3 and see the story with Kaoru continue

They basically MGSV Ocelot'd Majima

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0 is bait, the rest is the punchline.

Biggest tragedy of the series. Yakuza 2 has pretty much the only romance story I've cared about in a videogame it pisses me off so much FUCK

The way they handled that was absolutely hilarious. Just have her show up in prologue and go "By the way, I'm moving to States. Bye."
They really didn't want to keep her in the story.

Is Kiryu a virgin?

No big spoilers please, I'm just playing Y5