I just read all 36 sermons of Vivec and I don't get what the fuck he's talking about. What does CHIM do...

>The sermons exist as proof he didn't achieve CHIM and serves as a good example of how not to get sidetracked.
How?

>He was not born a god. His destiny did not lead him to this crime. He chose this path of his own free will. He stole the godhood and murdered the Hortator. Vivec wrote this.

CHIM follows specific rules with zero summing (dwemer) as a further example of those rules. What Vivec says happens as vivec is not what actually happens.
Vivec speaking as Vehk thru the hidden message is the truth as stated here Vivec lived as Vehk, you know him as Vivec. If you CHIM'd this dichotomy would not exist as a matter of course.

TES exists as a subjective reality. When CHIM occurs events surrounding the one who CHIMs becomes an absolute morality. That doesn't happen with Vivec. He said the ALMSIVI were real gods and the 3 daedra they were were merely anticipations of the ALMSIVI.
If they CHIM'd there would be no knowledge of the 3 gods, only the ALMSIVI alone.

absolute reality*

Only 2 beings have ever achieved CHIM and Vivec wasn't one of them. The other 2 follow a very similar pattern of being, Vivec doesn't follow this pattern.
Talos becomes an oversoul as the indiviuals comprising his soul stop becoming individually relative. The Sermons show without a shadow of a doubt that Vivec never actually saw himself as a single being as Vivec. Him being known as Vehk and Vehk is no accident. He saw himself as a split being (like Talos) but he in his own words acknowledges that he is still who he always was.
There was no real transformative quality to him. The hidden message proves this. He tricked the world, but he never convinced himself, making his endeavor a failing.

Vivec is a vain liar.

I'm going to use this thread to check my understanding of the Six Walking Ways. Tell me if I fuck anything up.

First Walking Way (building Towers)
>The lines of Moon Axle were collected by Velothi philosophers and taken into caves. There, and for a year, Vivec taught the philosophers how to turn the lines of his son into the spokes of mystery wheels. This was the birth of the first Whirling School. Before, there had only been the surface thought of fire.
>Vivec looked at his first wheeling students and observed:
>'Alike the egg-layered universe is this morbid possession of three-distant coverage, soul wrecked and alive, like my name is alive. In this cloister you have discovered one walking path, hilled like a sword but more coarsened. So edged it is that it has to be whispered to keep the tongue from bleeding, where its signs evacuate their former meanings, like empires that tarry too long.
Here, Vivec is describing the process of making miniature wheels out of the bones of his son as a Walking Way. Physically creating a device that looks like a wheel is creating the universe in miniature, and brings one closer to the divine. This is basically what the Ayleids did when they built the White-Gold Tower, which we know was an attempt to ascend to godhood. Conclusion: Building Towers in imitation of Ada-Mantia is a Walking Way.

Vivec's "son" here is morrowind from resdayn. He was attempting to be the father of a nation. In the same vein Vivec was the son of Saint Veloth in thought and intention if not kin and kith.
Towers aren't always physical, but that helps mortals connect with it. Vivec was teaching the method with which one could even conceptualize the tower or the I within the Wheel. You can't teach something to someone who can't understand. They need baby steps.
There is a transmuting power to Tower creation. The Ayleids "built" the tower of Talos if you think about it. Their actions led to the Alessian rebellion which sprouted all beings and situations needed to birth the constituent parts of the Talos oversoul. Talos is the Tower of Man. It cannot be brought down due to it being a deliberate Jesus allegory. The irony being that mer are responsible for men succeeding in building an unassailable tower, something Vivec tried to do and realized he couldn't because his people fundamentally lacked the character required for it.

It's not like people spontaneously forgot about Hjalti Early-Beard when he ascended to become TALOS

Correct but you meet Hjalti's ghost in Skyrim. Even the ghost has lost sight of who Hjalti was. Vivec never saw himself as Vivec, we did because he wanted that. Vivec's failing was always that he knew the truth of what he and the ALMSIVI were and could never accept the lie.
In a subjective reality only your own truth has value (like anonymous posting on Zig Forums). He was a namefag that wouldn't stop using a tripcode in his heart of hearts.

Hjalti wasn't important in his time. His actions, removed from him by time became nebulous and led to the idea of TALOS. Vivec couldn't achieve this because he wanted to be known as a warrior poet king in his lifetime instead of just living his life knowing history would bend against his actions given time.

Second walking Way (the Psijic Endeavor/CHIM)
The Scripture of the Sword, Eighth:
>'I give you an ancient road tempered by the second walking way. Your hands must be huge to wield any sword the size of an ancient road, and yet he who is of right stature may irritate the sun with only a stick.'

The description of the 2nd walking way is confusing as fuck. Is the sword that you wield the walking way itself, that tempers the path, or is it the road that is tempered by the walking way? I think that it’s the former. This makes it clear that you need to have a larger-than-life persona to use the 2nd walking way, but that when you achieve it, you can fuck up the foundations of reality with the smallest of actions. To me, this sounds like CHIM, since it’s the walking way of the supreme egoist, the person who can confront the truth that “I am an NPC” and yet still stubbornly assert the supremacy of their own existence. In doing this, you dance atop the wheel and get the power to just fuck shit up with a thought. Furthermore, there is the implied potential to go even further beyond, and mantle Amaranth. This is what it means for CHIM (which is the endgame of the Psijic Endeavor) to “temper” an ancient road, this road being the path that Lorkhan intended all mortals to follow.

Vivec just tried to push his own narrative more than let it form around him. That alone shows he didn't have the qualities needed to achieve chim.

Third Walking Way (Music manipulation)
>The Scripture of the Word, Second:
> 'The third walking path explores hysteria without fear. The efforts of madmen are a society of itself, but only if they are written. The wise may substitute one law for another, even into incoherence, and still say he is working within a method. This is true of speech and extends to all scripture.'
The Third Walking Way concerns willing yourself into godhood, by rewriting natural laws through the power of speech/word/scripture. Essentially, you hack reality until reality accepts that you’re a god. To me, this is pretty cut-and-dry. It refers to using shit like Tonal Architecture or the Thu’um to shout yourself into godhood, by messing with the song that comprises Aurbis. Obvious example: Numidium, which autistically screeches at reality until reality gives way (hysteria without fear).

Again, let me know if I'm fucking anything up

The sword is intention itself. It takes a mighty being to wield their intention into action. It takes a mighty being to follow through with the consequences of your actions.
There is evidence Vivec didn't have the strength of being for the second part there.

I don't see how a monster that's immune to perpetually-shifting line segments is metaphorically referring to the land of Morrowind.

A clear example of this are the Dwemer

This is about acceptance of the Grey Maybe that Vivec grew obsessed with. The answer to any question is ultimately unknowable but you should still state your answer as intention with no reservation knowing that it is not an absolution.

If Veloth is mentioned in the Sermons it is not an accidental reference. Veloth was what Vivec wished he was. Him referencing lineage and Veloth is deliberate. As you read the Six Walking Ways you notice they feed into each other as fractal ideas creating a supreme concept, not actually as 6 distinct paths toward godhood. All steps are needed.
Veloth was not just some mer to the Chimer, he was the ultimate rebel that himself could be seen as an ever-shifting line of Mer-ness. He was the first Mer to say maybe this whole returning to the dawn era idea isn't smart and we should just make our own superior future. Morrowind was the crucible he chose to forge his people. It gave them the ability to create something new and the capability to do it without him.

It is an example of the dwemer doing it wrong. The correct lesson is that chaos doesn't really exist, you only think it does because your mind is too small to put it all together. Give yourself to the chaos and let it flow and work around you. It will form into something non-chaotic to you given time. It being different does not make it invalid. Stop needlessly fearing change (hysteria driven by fear).

Fourth WalFourth Walking way (Mantling)
The Scripture of the Mace, Fourth:
>'The sage who is not an anvil: a conventional sentence and nothing more. By which I mean dead, the fourth walking way.'

This is another description that’s obtuse as shit. The context of the description of this Walking Way is the Scripture of the Mace, which concerns itself with learning to accept punishment and learning to love the pain. “The sage who is not an anvil: a conventional sentence and nothing more” also doesn’t really make sense, either. I can’t really understand what the two phrases have to do with each other. Would a sage who is an anvil be a non-conventional sentence? What does it mean for a sage to be an anvil vs not an anvil (a hammer?)? How does this relate to the overall theme of the sermon? What helps, slightly, is the follow up: by which I mean dead, the 4th Walking Way. I’m saying that this refers to Mantling, because Mantling is forcibly assuming the role of another God. Does this mean you, the sage, are now dead? Does it mean that the old god, who’s skin you are wearing, is now dead? Who is the sage-that-is-not-an-anvil, here? Fuck off, Vivec.

>the Grey Maybe that Vivec grew obsessed with.
Give me the QRD

That's why i put them as example, at first the Dwemer accepted chaos as its own and worked to tune it as fine music. yet in the process they fucked up by gaining arrogance of it, and got bloated of it until Kagrenac fucked it up by creating the numidium.

A sword cuts a mace smashes. Old concepts that don't serve you should be cut away. the concepts that have stopped serving you that you needlessly cling to need to be smashed away. Sundered to the winds as they are not only stopping your movement, they are arresting it. The hammer would be the state. The sage being the anvil is showing he has the strength to withstand the hits of the state and tell it it is wrong. The steadfast sage as the anvil will hold itself longer than the hammer will. One will shatter and it isn't the anvil.

The Grey Maybe is just the concept that nothing is absolute. Is vivec a god? Is he Vehk still? Is Vivec a male? A female? Is it possible?
Maybe, for all things. This is the purpose of the Arbus by Lorkhan - to serve as a battleground so a supreme will can be brought forth out of apprehension.
Vivec understood the power of the Grey Maybe. He understood the power of saying neither yes nor no and letting the interplay between the 2 extremes create the truth. That middle ground is the real truth. It is all realities without excising any portion. Vivec knew what was needed to achieve Godhood, he just didn't have it in him to do it.

Fifth Walking Way (stealing godhood from someone else)
> For on that day, which is a shadow of the sacrificial concept, all history is obliged to see me for what you are: in love with evil. To keep one's powers intact at such a stage is to allow for the existence of what can only be called a continual spirit. Make of your love a defense against the horizon. Pure existence is only granted to the holy, which comes in a myriad of forms, half of them frightening and the other half divided into equal parts purposeless and assured. Late is the lover that comes to this by any other walking way than the fifth, which is the number of the limit of this world. The lover is the highest country and a series of beliefs. He is the sacred city bereft of a double. The uncultivated land of monsters is the rule. This is clearly attested by ANU and his double, which love knows never really happened.
I’ve heard a lot of people say that the Fifth Walking Way is CHIM, and that the Second is the Psijic Endeavor. I don’t agree with this, because the Psijic Endeavor is nothing but the journey to achieve CHIM. They are the same thing, just one is the process and the other is the result of the process. Furthermore, in the description of the fifth Walking Way, the path of the Lover, Vivec is describing himself. The “sacred city bereft of a double” is Vivec. Vivec’s country is the highest country and the highest series of beliefs. He’s the one who’s fostered an uncultured land of monsters, which he’s been killing throughout the sermons. The fifth walking way to achieve godhood is the way Vivec himself achieved godhood, which is just stealing it (out of love, of course). This is also why it’s described as the “fastest” walking way (all others are late), because it involves the least amount of effort. You just kill your best friend and liegelord, and smack the heart.

If you can understand this statement you can understand the first steps of CHIM.
Protip: Andrew Jackson never actually said this, one of his contemporaries did and Jackson just agreed with the sentiment. That mis-quote has done a portion of work forming the persona we know as Andrew Jackson.

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>A sword cuts a mace smashes. Old concepts that don't serve you should be cut away. the concepts that have stopped serving you that you needlessly cling to need to be smashed away. Sundered to the winds as they are not only stopping your movement, they are arresting it. The hammer would be the state. The sage being the anvil is showing he has the strength to withstand the hits of the state and tell it it is wrong. The steadfast sage as the anvil will hold itself longer than the hammer will. One will shatter and it isn't the anvil.
I cannot tell if you are correcting me, or agreeing with me.

So people's belief in you even if false gives you power

It is just accepting that you should see yourself as beyond having an equal but still feel fine integrating ideas from someone else you do not consider your equal. By doing this you are not lessening your own being as much as uplifting the other closer to yourself. This selfless taking with open hands is divine in aspect.

It is further elaborating since you are intentionally positing your posts to be up for discussion.

Sixth Walking Way (Enatiomorph)
> Each of the aspects of the ALMSIVI then rose up together, combining as one, and showed the world the sixth path. Ayem took from the star its fire, Seht took from it its mystery, and Vehk took from it its feet, which had been constructed before the gift of Molag Bal and destroyed in the manner of truth: by a great hammering. When the soul of the Dwemer could walk no more, they were removed from this world.
Here, Vivec lies through his teeth to explain the last Walking Way: form the Enatiomorph, the three-in-one, and become a new god in the pantheon, as distinct from usurping an old god with mantling. Of course, ALMSIVI did not actually succeed in doing this, no matter what Vivec’s propaganda states. In fact, this is probably describing Nerevar’s murder, but with Nerevar switched for Numidium, and it’s part of Vivec’s stealth confession. However, it does show that Vivec considers achieving the Enatiomorph to be the last Walking Way. Which is something TALOS succeeded at.

Is this a reasonably accurate interpretation of this shit?