How do you make a character THIS fucking unfun to play as...

Bump

Because he was a last minute addition of Brawl, needs a moveset overhaul, one of his spindas specials needs to be a boost attack with a boost meter so that it has more limited use and less spammy.

But spindashing is fun

>caring about balance in online Smash

no its fucking boring. i feel nothing using the 3 or 4 moves that look exactly the same. its visually painful to look at and the reward for playing sonic well doesnt feel worth it because youre not actually doing anything

His moveset is literal Sonic gameplay, I have no problem with it.

The freedom of movement you get whilst also maintaining the offensive is fun. The only downside is that the rest of Sonic's kit doesn't gel together all that well, and spindash follow ups are inconsistent on hit.

the freedom of movement you get from playing as sonic doesnt feel rewarding as you dont have to actually do anything to achieve it. you dont need to be good. its very bland.

I bought Smash Bros Brawl when it was brand new and to this very day I still have no idea what the difference between Sonic's side special and down special is. I know that the down special has a bounce to it or something but I do not know what the benefits are or what's so different about the two. Also the fact they did not replace Sonic with classic Sonic for Ultimate was a missed opportunity.

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ness is the most fun character to play as because when you go online you get disconnects. free wins

how about buffing somebody who actually needs it like duck hunt or incineroar?

Why should it matter if it requires skill? I like it because he's fun to play and fun to use.

i cant enjoy it if i dont feel like im actually doing anything. i dont know how anyone can. its like playing a single player game and to beat the final boss you just have to spam A. sure it may look cool visually, but whats the point? you didnt do anything and you know it. in ultimate sonic doesnt even look cool visually. a part of the spark in a fighting game is missing if i dont actually have to play well.

>i cant enjoy it if i dont feel like im actually doing anything
>you didnt do anything and you know it.
How exactly am I "not doing anything"? I'm still using the same basic controls as every other character.

>Buffing duck hunt
HAHAHAHA

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I'm surprised Sonic doesn't have a ring attack

I have a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory that Miyamoto/other Nintendo higherups asked Sakurai to purposefully make Sonic suck ass in every way possible as a form of retribution for 1990's Sega/Nintendo rivalry.

Sakurai is a lazy and uninspired hack. There’s a few characters he could rework yet never does. Sonic fucking sucks to look at, play and fight against and ganondorf is STILL just falcon but now with a sword.

you realize some characters are harder to play than other characters right? sonic and game and watch are by far the easiest characters to play in ultimate. how can you possibly enjoy yourself beating your opponent with this character? its boring. even the top sonic mains will tell you they dont enjoy playing him but they do anyways because theyre "sonic fans".
youtu.be/se6YiAEH6vI

>you realize some characters are harder to play than other characters right?
Every character is easy to play, it's Smash.

>sonic and game and watch are by far the easiest characters to play in ultimate.
[citation needed]

>how can you possibly enjoy yourself beating your opponent with this character?
Because playing as Sonic is fun.

>its boring.
your opinion

>even the top sonic mains will tell you they dont enjoy playing him but they do anyways because theyre "sonic fans".
[citation needed]

Why the fuck isn't this his side B or forward Air

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I still don't understand why Ridley's jumps are so short and he only gets two air jumps. He's not a heavyweight, so there's no reason to penalize his air game. And SPR has way too much windup time and cooldown. It's a good move, but it's nowhere near good enough to warrant that much free punish on whiff.

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They should make him Team Sonic with knuckles and tails

because sakurai for whatever reason based sonic's moveset off of 06

Give him the dash from heroes
Sonic Eagle for forward air

Have him perform a trick after a homing attack

Change his side b to light speed dash or boost (same type of move but boost is more like wonder wing, and the LiSD like illusion) OR the forward dash kick thingy from advance

Can stay but can change his up b to the sonic Advance/Rush move of pushing himself upward, there's also a move from battle that has him throw a ring and her turns into a ball and he dashes to it and hurts anyone that's in his way

Back air into a three hit kick like in that one image, or sonic windmill (more flashy strong back kick)

Down smash changed to sonic flare

Up tilt can stay the same but can be changed to sonic updraft

Neutral air can stay the same or be a insta shield, sonic rocket or sonic storm(same as the old one but slightly bigger and multi hit), sonic skillet is also an option.

Change his win animations, one from rush, one from generations, and the one from adventure (but much flashier and makes more sense, so a few flips to the pose, and change the music to either the one from generations or the old sonic 1/2 jingle, but I like the current one so it doesnt matter.

because it's an obscure move that only appears in a few handheld games that no one even plays.

His moveset is spin dashes because that's what a fucking hedgehog does. He curls into a ball. Nobody characters about your forgettable moves from modern games.

side special is one powerful hitbox that launches farther, and you are committed to a forward dash at the beginning of the move
down special is a rapid succession of smaller, weaker hitboxes that drag the opponent along with the attack and is easier to chain into combos. you are not committed to any starting direction; you can spindash to the left, the right, or launch straight into a jump.
no i don't think they should both be in the game, but once you get the hang of how they work its fun to mix them up on your opponent. most people are used to fighting shitters whenever they see a sonic on quickplay and won't be expecting the down-b dash

Fpbp. I hate how Sakurai is so goddamn flimsy with designing movesets, it seriously pisses me off. I genuinely believe characters with good movesets that represents their games well weren't done just by him.

Obviously some outliers like Falcon is fine because it looks cool but jesus come the fuck on

I bet the FE Characters wouldn't be so hated if they had a moveset that honored their games.