So now that the dust has settled

So now that the dust has settled,
Was Undertale's genocide route the actual good ending?
>Humans are at war with the monsters
>Humans won the war and trapped the monsters
>monsters proceed to kill a human child
>then follow up with 6 more human children
>once the 8th child is there, they don't hesitate to attempt killing him on the spot
>somehow you're evil if you defend yourself, eradicate the monsters and avenge the dead children

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Chara plans on killing everyone not just monsters. Undyne says as much and even Chara destroys the entire world

Undyne is just trying to brainwash you into thinking she's the heroine.

Genocide involves killing civilians, so no.
The ACTUAL good ending is killing the people who are trying to intentionally use lethal force on you (Mettaton, Undyne, Flowey) and then leaving the underground with Toriel as the new queen.

which civilian do you kill in genocide?
all monsters you run into are out to get you, even papyrus is a blind fool that wants to capture you and hand you to undyne, and toriel wanted to enslave you.
not to mention asgore who had already murdered children, and alphys who wrote the code of mettatone.

No lmao you literally commit genocide OP it's in the name. Like yah the Sans fight is pretty rad but literally destroying the universe is no morally sound

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this, all of reality is gone at the end of genocide

>all monsters you run into are out to get you
To monsters, magic bullet fights are just saying hi. Many critters you run into assume you're a monster too.

>it's wrong because i named it big bad
how do you justify the death of the 6 children ?

why do people say that the game calls you evil for defending yourself. Sans judges you at the end, but it's more from the angle that you aren't a normal person, you can save and reload. If you have the ability to do that, shouldn't you try to go through without hurting anyone is all the game really asks you.

although the game is bullshit, everyone is written to be "likeable", nobody is really a cunt that just wants you dead.

Undertale is merely a subversion of the genre, it does not work as an actual story.

Did anyone except Asgore kill those kids tho? I'd say that murdering an entire race of people and then killing all life in the universe is a smide worse than what Asgore did

In genocide you have to actively seek out fights until the areas are depopulated. At that point you have become the aggressor and you can't claim to only be killing in self defense.

>destroys reality
no i don't think thats the good ending

Chara is a psycho fuck who wants to kill everyone, including the player. The game couldn't spell it out more clearly.

This. It is the very exact definition of genocide, where you go and seek out every single member of the monster species on every single map with the intention of killing them all, not even just killing everyone you meet. You have to go out of your way and engage in a boring, unchallanging gring to get every one of them. You kill your enemies, you kill random civilians, you kill children, you kill people helping you, no one, not a single soul gets spared

The fact that it sparks discussion five years later means it worked pretty well as a story.

the monsters stood by as their king killed the children one after the other, if not aided him directly like undyne and papyrus.
all monsters are guilty

how did the monsters lose if asriel could just nuke all of reality after absorbing a couple human souls and monsters.

>monsters proceed to kill a human child
>then follow up with 6 more human children
you only need 7 human souls to break the barrier, but 1 to go through. its explained in game that Asgore could have left outside and gotten more souls.
>somehow you're evil if you defend yourself, eradicate the monsters and avenge the dead children
its called a genocide playthrough for a reason. you actively go out of your way to kill monsters until none show up. you call that "defending youself"? and its clear once you clear the Ruins, Chara is manifesting herself through Frisk

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No OP they aren't lmao. Papyrus was a member of the royal guard and even he didn't know what would happen to the humans when Asgore got to em. Either way your logic is incredibly bad

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you are eliminating the thorn along with the roots of the problem, you are establishing peace for mankind and avenging the dead.
how is this evil?
should more humans be scarified before you admit that the monsters (read: literal flesh eating
soul absorbing abominations) should be erased and never give them a chance to multiply or form forces?

>i just stabbed you, i didnt know you were going to bleed to death, so i'm still innocent!

I'm literally just starting to play Undertale because I saw pic related on a TF2 server and got so bored with the games. My sister and I are reading the lines of the characters and so far its fine.
Doing the pacifist run. I know there's like 200000 different endings, but we'll do the main ones.

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i couldnt continue delta,
having no say to what you want to do really annoyed me

You don't. It was a bad thing to do and even their killer realizes it by the end.
How does your mind go from "something shitty happened" to "commit genocide on the perpetrators and also on your own people to boot"?

What about that part where Chara and you destroy the entirety of reality and everyone who lives in it? Including humans? That was pretty not so nice of them

Well, let's just see what happens. Maybe Toby is just saying "nothing changes" as a gimmick to make it surprising, I don't know.

chara did literally nothing wrong
no universe that can contain alphys is a universe worth letting live

How do you justify the death of everyone else?

now i know youre trolling, but we literally don't know the context of the war between humans and monsters. for all we know, burgerland could have started it and they should be the ones to go instinct.
its all irrelevant to the current situation where you think you're doing good by killing them all. "establishing peace for mankind" shit sounds like that dude who shot up a church to start a race war, evangelist as fuck.

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The genocide ending is the worst ending but I dont think the pacifist run has is the good ending either.

You basically end the game by letting a horde of monsters who were willing to kill a lost child on sight free on the world.

There's a bit of an implication in the children even being dead.
They should have been able to save and load like Frisk, and as well should have been able to handle themselves against the monsters too given how weak monsters are.

They may have willingly given themselves up.

>monsters (read: literal flesh eating soul absorbing abominations)
You clearly didn't play the same game.

tfw no psycho loli gf strong enough to nuke reality

Chara didn't act for revenge against the 6 children or because he was worried about the monster threat or out of any moral reasons. He did it because he's a misanthropic autist. You're the one trying to add rationality to his actions that doesn't exist in context.

chara became the red soul just like asriel became a flower. it makes sense because the flower was injected with determination, and human souls too have determination. sorry i spoiled deltarune

Peace was established for mankind. They won the war, destroyed the monsters, genocided most of them and sent the survivors to the cuckshed under the barrier.

Also, this. Chara kills because she enjoys doing it. No other reason was given ever, not even the sob story background. She is the videogame player archetype who treats the world as a video game and just wants to keep grinding for fun, to keep XP, to gain LVL.

Frisk is the empty shell the player can project his morality and reasoning onto. Chara just stabs you for being a dumbass if you chicken out in the end, she was always her own agent, not giving a shit about you.

>why do people say that the game calls you evil
because it does? saying that "Oh, no- it's not Toby calling you evil and sick, it's Undyne or Sans or whoever calling your character that!" is giving the man too much credit.

I mean technically even at that point you can outsmart Chara. File manipulation in PC and on console you just delete your save from your system, Chara has no real power unless your stupid with cloud saves

>You basically end the game by letting a horde of monsters who were willing to kill a lost child on sight free on the world.
it's worth it if everyone gets a catty gf

>Toby couldnt program a game that actually summons a Chara-demon who stabs you IRL if you try to do that and gives you an achievement if you win the life or death knife fight

shit game