I realized why I was so insecure and confused about my sexuality. Like many men I fell into the typical trap of porn which led to fapping to trannies all the way to wanting to be a tranny sucking cock and balls, but still wasn't attracted to men when I was around them. Naturally guys like me are called closet repressed homos in denial and whatnot, which is fair, but something didn't feel right, calling myself gay or even bi just didn't feel right, but I certainly wasn't straight. I agonized over this endlessly, but the turning point was when I realized that I didn't really want to have sex with men. I no longer cared if I was gay or not, I just knew having sex with men wasn't gonna happen regardless of what I was, that made me realize why I wasn't comfortable calling myself gay or bi, because I wasn't, at least not how those words are actually used. When someone identifies as bi or gay, they are expressing 3 things, 1. I probably like some form of gay porn (check) 2. I have an attraction towards men when I'm around them (no) 3. I have or will have sex with men (no). Basically, my problem was that only 1 of those things applied to me, so calling myself bi never felt right because it was only partially true, while the most important implications of the label were false.
Sorry for the wall of text but this was like a eureka moment for me, I see so many guys confused about their sexuality and I think this is precisely why. Don't get me wrong, by the textbook definition of the word we are still bisexual, but the way this word is actually used in communication does not fit guys like us, it implies things about us that aren't true, so we aren't comfortable with the label. If I tell anyone that I'm bisexual, that would automatically think I'm attracted to men around me, have had sex with men or will, which isn't true. So how do you deal with a conundrum like this?
all i read was >i'm a faggot and i have to go through mental gymnastics to justify it
Daniel Foster
TLDR >am fag Who cares eat ass and live for pleasure
Dylan Edwards
Exactly. You're bisexual OP. Just accept it and stop the ridiculous mental gymnastics. You'll feel better, and can drop the uncomfortableness caused by your silly fear of other people's reaction to your orientation. You can always clarify after that you only like feminine men.
>I realized why I was so insecure and confused about my sexuality. Like many men I fell into the typical trap of porn which led to fapping to trannies all the way to wanting to be a tranny sucking cock and balls, but still wasn't attracted to men when I was around them. Naturally guys like me are called closet repressed homos in denial and whatnot, which is fair, but something didn't feel right, calling myself gay or even bi just didn't feel right, but I certainly wasn't straight. I agonized over this endlessly, but the turning point was when I realized that I didn't really want to have sex with men. I no longer cared if I was gay or not, I just knew having sex with men wasn't gonna happen regardless of what I was, that made me realize why I wasn't comfortable calling myself gay or bi, because I wasn't, at least not how those words are actually used. When someone identifies as bi or gay, they are expressing 3 things, 1. I probably like some form of gay porn (check) 2. I have an attraction towards men when I'm around them (no) 3. I have or will have sex with men (no). Basically, my problem was that only 1 of those things applied to me, so calling myself bi never felt right because it was only partially true, while the most important implications of the label were false. >Sorry for the wall of text but this was like a eureka moment for me, I see so many guys confused about their sexuality and I think this is precisely why. Don't get me wrong, by the textbook definition of the word we are still bisexual, but the way this word is actually used in communication does not fit guys like us, it implies things about us that aren't true, so we aren't comfortable with the label. If I tell anyone that I'm bisexual, that would automatically think I'm attracted to men around me, have had sex with men or will, which isn't true. So how do you deal with a conundrum like this? I disagree
Austin Mitchell
I'm with you op. Except I'd be tempted to fuck a trans girl in asian if the opportunity presented itself. asian men make the sexiest women and their skin is milky white and hairless and they usually have plump asses to go with it
Jonathan Hernandez
>tfw discovered anal masturbation and cannot stop >takes willpower to not buy girl's clothes and more anal toys >have to take break from current toys so I can get my boihole tight again and not be a size queen >not gay but really think about being TOPPED by a neet plz stop intrusive thoughts I am not a faggot
Oliver Richardson
>Exactly. You're bisexual OP
Technically I am, but as far as how this label is actually used in communication it does not apply to me. To make a point I made a thread that said "How do I explain to people that I'm bisexual but have no interest in dating or having sex with men?" and most of the replies basically said that I'm not bisexual, because when most people think of a bisexual man, they think of someone who actually has sex with men.
If I call myself bisexual, I'm communicating that I'm interested in having sex with men, which is not true. I am not bisexual, at least not in the way this word is actually used.
Cooper Sullivan
Just admit to yourself that you have a tranny fetish and leave it at that. No reason to go labeling yourself this or that.
Charles Garcia
Dude I have no problems with what I like. I'm not some scared christian boy raised in a homophobic household, I'm a fucking degenerate, I would tell the whole world I love tranny porn if they gave a fuck, the only problem is that then they would think that I have sex with men, which isn't true.
David Price
You, like most of them, are an extremely insecure bisexual at least, and probably gay. The insecurity part comes from the fact you're only letting yourself feel attracted to men when they emasculate themselves to an extreme for you. That's the tipoff: You're attracted to weakness here. Which is fine, sort of, as long as it doesn't reflect on some other dark aspect of your personality. Abusive people get off on that, for example.
Logan Parker
Well, then I guess the answer to your conundrum is to simply not tell anyone. I'd rather people think I'm a degenerate than think that I have sex with men
Jaxon Hughes
>You, like most of them, are an extremely insecure bisexual at least, and probably gay.
I don't think so, I feel like its just a porn fetish to be honest. If I told you I fap to furry porn but don't wanna fuck my dog you'd believe me, but for some reason when its something gay people can't accept that.
Jonathan Hernandez
a man in a dress is not suddenly female. you're a homosexual, like 90% of this thread and board.
That's completely different. Zoophiles fundamentally don't care about consent. Anthro, fictional things, they're in your head and consent is not an issue. What we're talking about here is a very real attraction to male anatomy, but in the specific context of men being emasculated. That strongly suggests a deep insecurity and desire to dominate men, which is what makes it sexually exciting.
Easton Ross
>Well, then I guess the answer to your conundrum is to simply not tell anyone.
Yeah for now I've been keeping it to myself, but I'm not ashamed of what I like to masturbate to so I feel like eventually I'm gonna have to explain to people that I like dick but don't really wanna fuck dudes.
>a man in a dress is not suddenly female. you're a homosexual
You're right, but I'm not a homo homo, only technically homo.
>. That strongly suggests a deep insecurity and desire to dominate men
Well that doesn't make sense because I self insert as the trap most of the times. Being fucked like a bitch looks fun, but also uncomfortable and silly.
Christian Robinson
Okay, so it's the opposite, but fundamentally still the same thing. People express insecurity often in one of two ways, either desiring to dominate or be dominated. If your problem is that you think you'd look silly, again, that's your own insecurity. It really does sound like, the more you explain, the more it's obvious that you're super insecure and homosexual.
The fundamental part is this: If you are only letting yourself feel attracted to feminization, there's a reason for it, and most often (just look at the "LGBT" (trans) board) that's a deep insecurity over your own masculinity. Plenty of secure men are gay, but we don't feel the need to be totally degraded and feminized just to feel attracted to other men. I'm gay myself, the only people I've ever met like you are hugely psychologically troubled. The kind who keep it on "down low" and use grindr at age 65 to cheat on their wives.
Dominic Jackson
>It really does sound like, the more you explain, the more it's obvious that you're super insecure and homosexual.
I don't think that's it at all though. I'll admit homosex has a certain appeal to it, but my attraction to men just isn't strong enough to where I feel compelled to have sex with them. I fap to some fag porn, blow a load and call it a day, its not a big deal to me. You're projecting your level of interest in men onto me and assuming since I'm not like you it must be the result of some mental issue, when really its just a lack of interest interest and attraction. Not 0 attraction, but certainly not enough to where I feel like I need to put my dick in a mans asshole.
>The kind who keep it on "down low" and use grindr at age 65 to cheat on their wives.
Hey now, I would at least have the integrity to divorce the bitch before draining balls with my mouth.
Benjamin Allen
Fundamentally all I am trying to do is make you aware of the very real possibility that you're letting your insecurities and perceptions of homosexual relationships warp your ideas. I think instead of fetishizing effeminacy you might want to just consider two regular men in a healthy relationship, and put some very real thought into why you feel this desire to be feminized like that.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but when you're using it to deny your obvious attraction something is wrong in your head.
Zachary Morris
>Fundamentally all I am trying to do is make you aware of the very real possibility that you're letting your insecurities and perceptions of homosexual relationships warp your ideas.
I worried about this as well, but that's just not the case. I was never the least bit homophobic, even as a kid common sense told me that beauty is in the eye of the beholder so some men would like other men. I like blue, he likes red, I like girls, he likes boys, so what? Because of this I was very accepting of the possibility of not being straight when I jacking off to all that tranny porn, but the few things that I liked about guys was always negated by all the things I don't find attractive about them, so I never did anything until I just decided that it wasn't for me.
Well it isn't like it's a big deal. So you have a fetish. Oh well.
Alexander Lopez
you could've just said your gay, faggot
Jordan Peterson
>Well it isn't like it's a big deal.
I know, but what bothers me is that I don't have a label that precisely expresses my sexual desires. I'm not straight because I like fapping to tranny porn, I'm not gay/faggot because I'm attracted to woman, and I'm not a bisexual because I don't want to have sex with men. Every label implies something about me that isn't true.
Anthony Jones
Kinda sounds like autogynephilia?
Andrew Gutierrez
faggot you like sticking things up your ass you're GAAAAY
Leo Watson
I know what that is, but lets be honest most people would have no idea what I'm talking about.
I would have no problem accepting those labels if I wanted to have sex with men, but I don't.
The problem with the categories of hetero-, bi-, and homosexual is that they focus on attributes which may not be decisive. It seems like the biggest draw for you is feminine signifiers, with biological sex as a secondary attribute. You're trying to use terms that only relate to biological sex to describe your particular brand of faggotry when it's obvious that another set of definitions based on presentation would better articulate OP's feelings.
t. radfem who hates troons
Brayden Williams
you're not gay. You wish to be desired and return to a pre-responsibilities state, and culture has thaught you that only men and being girly can get you there. Fantasy is not reality tho, it will fail. You need to go the other way and embrace radical self improvement
Ayden Gray
It's just a fetish. At least you caught yourself before going troomer with it. It's too bad you don't actually want to be fucked by men though. Feminized weeb twinks are hot.
Hunter Taylor
>Fantasy is not reality tho, it will fail. You need to go the other way and embrace radical self improvement
I know, that's why I decided not to have sex with men. It might even be fun, but I know it wouldn't make my life any better. Problem is deciding not to have sex with men doesn't make me any less of a fag, but if I identify as a fag, I'm basically saying I want to have sex with men when I don't. That's the core of the issue, none of the labels clearly express my sexual desires.
Camden Hughes
Maybe don't put a label on it? Is fine dude. A word of advice tho, try going a couple of weeks without porn and then try to see what really turns you on
Austin Flores
What is even the point of labeling yourself? What difference does it make whether you are "gay", "bi", "straight", etc. You like what you like, regardless of what you call it.
Kevin Baker
ok but ur not straight lol its not intrusive thoughts ur just gay nigga
Gabriel Lewis
>your not gay >user jerks off to guys dressed as girls nigga
Cameron Ross
>It's too bad you don't actually want to be fucked by men though.
I know, I its a shame really, I had the potential to be a solid faggot.
Yeah no matter how I look at it none of the labels are accurate, and I kept trying to fit myself into one but I can't. But I've already done the nofap cycles and all that, I'm sure I could go a year without fapping and would still go right back to sissyfag porn. I really love that fetish, but outside of porn it has no place in my life so its hardly a big deal.
>What is even the point of labeling yourself?
Its a quick way for you to express to others what you're attracted to and who you are willing to fuck, people do take them too seriously though.
Easton Gonzalez
>So how do you deal with a conundrum like this? i dont because i dont want to be a sissy like op and suck cock and balls
Charles Clark
Step one is realizing you have a problem.
Noah Harris
>Its a quick way for you to express to others what you're attracted to and who you are willing to fuck, If that's the practical purpose, then just say you are straight, because you don't want to fuck men. What's the problem?
Jason Jackson
Well yeah generally straight is what I default to, but that won't work once people find out what I fap to.
Colton Peterson
I fapped to a ton of trap porn as a teen and then went into some nasty sissy shit for some reason. now i like gentle femdom and still like trap stuff but i'm masculine. worst things i fap to are i'd say chastity and harder femdom occasionally should i feel bad? i'm mostly a switch
Jacob Gray
I simply don't give a fuck. I'm attracted to anything that remotely resembles the female body type. I'd suck a dick just as much as I'd eat out a pussy as long as it's attached to a feminine body. Despite that, I can't exactly identify as bi since I don't like gay shit like being anally stimulated, buff dudes or wearing feminine clothing but I can't exactly call myself straight either. I'd just settle with being called straight to cause less drama.
I'm a fucked up dude. I think it's gayer to get rimmed by a girl compared to sucking a feminine guy's dick. Both acts are super gay though.
Easton Brown
>I'm a fucked up dude. I think it's gayer to get rimmed by a girl compared to sucking a feminine guy's dick. Both acts are super gay though. based
Benjamin Scott
this is all the reason why, even though i like dressing up in girls' clothes, i call my self straight. i haven't and would not have sex with men. as much of a faggot i am, it just isn't interesting for me in any way
You are not interested in men but you would fuck one or get fucked by one "for fun" if you were in a gangbang with friends (both male and female), wouldn't you?
I'm not judging. I'm not interested in men and I don't watch gay or tranny porn or even any of the extreme stuff (I like normal slow porn/sex and have milking and impregnation fetishes) but I would do that. When in Rome do like the romans or whatever.
Noah Evans
Putting these statements on a board full of gays, 'actual' bisexuals, and trannies isn't going to help much with giving you useful data. They're going to call you gay, and straights are going to say the same thing. There is nothing to be gained from fretting over your specific degree of gayness. Just jerk off to whatever you want and leave it at that, and since you're not trying to fuck men, then say you are straight. It is that easy.
Christopher Adams
You will never have sex either way, caring so much about what labels "feels right" is quite frankly pathetic
Jose Myers
You're still attracted to the feminine appearance, biggest viewers of tranny porn are straight men apparently. Also avoid Zig Forums, too many phaggots here that post gay and trans stuff, over time it wears you down and you start looking at it and it becomes a slippery slope.
Brody Green
It's incredibly fucking common for straight men to be attracted to penises/have an interest in sucking dick, but have no attraction to any other masculine traits.
I see this shit ALL THE TIME.
Why isn't there a good label for this? How long until people can just call it what it is without having to wade through miles of "closeted homo" comments?
Elijah Hall
>It's incredibly fucking common for straight men to be attracted to penises/have an interest in sucking dick, but have no attraction to any other masculine traits. cope harder, closeted homo
Charles Martin
Nah, ci just thingg my dopamine receptors are shot.
Ian Cook
>you would fuck one or get fucked by one "for fun" if you were in a gangbang with friends (both male and female), wouldn't you?
I would never do a gangbang, too many juices flying around I don't want to suck a tit that already has someones dry spit smell on it.
>Putting these statements on a board full of gays, 'actual' bisexuals, and trannies isn't going to help much with giving you useful data. They're going to call you gay, and straights are going to say the same thing.
I know! I never expected many people to understand what I'm saying, but I know my logic here is perfectly sound, but when it comes to sexuality people like to keep shit simple, that's why I saw the first reply coming from a mile away.
>Why isn't there a good label for this? How long until people can just call it what it is without having to wade through miles of "closeted homo" comments?
That's understandable since on the surface that sounds very gay, but people always ignore the fact that these guys aren't attracted to men in real life, which isn't very gay. If I'm a heterosexual male who's never attracted to woman when I'm around them, that's weird as fuck, but people won't acknowledge that its just as weird for supposed fag to have the same issue.
Levi Jenkins
>I would never do a gangbang, too many juices flying around I don't want to suck a tit that already has someones dry spit smell on it. fucking pussy
Josiah Reyes
>it's incredibly fucking common for straight men to have an interest in sucking dick Omg you retards need to get off of the internet, how can you even believe this ? you're so delusional
