using logic and reason, please provide a counter argument to the following premise:
>animals have feelings and are sentient. they can suffer and have moral status. its immoral to kill animals without a justification, and theres no moral justification for enslaving and killing animals in farms, because we dont need to
logically try to justify eating meat. you fucking cant
tell me whats stopping you from going vegan
Other urls found in this thread:
youtube.com
en.wikipedia.org
fcmconference.org
psychologytoday.com
theguardian.com
peta.org
news.nationalgeographic.com
sciencedaily.com
livescience.com
theconversation.com
youtube.com
logicallyfallacious.com
twitter.com
Fuck you, I like meat.
how are you any different that a pedophile rapist saying "fuck you, raping children is fun"?
civilized people require more than sensory pleasure to explain their actions, especially when their actions are immoral
Raping kids is illegal and people are especially anal about it for some reason so they put a lot of effort into catching and punishing people who do it, so it's a no go. If eating meat was punished in the same way I wouldn't do that either for my own long term well being.
If anything animals are more sympathetic than incel faggots because at least humans are capable of fighting back and changing their fortunes
Because I like to eat meat and you cannot stop me so get bent faggot
>Raping kids is illegal
>appealing to the law as to what is morally acceptable
so anything thats legal is morally acceptable?
was slavery morally acceptable because it was legal?
is infant circumcision, for males or females, morally acceptable, because its legal?
is a society that gives women all the power, like giving them the option for false rape accusations, moral because its legal?
are what totalitarian countries like china doing to their citizens moral, because its legal according to the countries laws?
i asked you to MORALLY justify it, not explain to me how you can get away with it because its legal
>If eating meat was punished in the same way I wouldn't do that either for my own long term well being
eating meat causes certain cancers like prostate, colon and stomach cancers. it also causes diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure and cholesterol clogged arteries. which makes eating meat horrific for your long term well being
>>animals have feelings and are sentient.
But they don't have a conscious and aren't considerate to our goals and feels 9 times out of 10
>they can suffer and have moral status.
Yes they are right below humans and right above plants in their moral status. They shouldn't be abused and they shouldn't be genocided.
>its immoral to kill animals without a justification, and theres no moral justification for enslaving and killing animals in farms, because we dont need to
No. They do not have the right to life. That is a human right. They can be killed and enslaved as long as they aren't being blatantly abused.
Fuck you, I ain't gotta justify shit, I'm gonna keep eating meat and there is nothing you can do about it. Go cry yourself to sleep you impotent cuck.
Meat taste good, I don't have to justify it. Fuck you
I don't give a shit about gay nonsense like "morals", as long as people won't try to lock me up for it and I want to do it, I'ma do it. If having slaves was legal again I'd buy one and keep her as a different type of meat.
My biggest problem is your use of the word sentient. Sure we even eat mammals but at that phylogenetic level consciousness isn't inherent. The fact that humans are sentient is a fluke of evolution and we're less sentient than we think because most of our decisions and felling are dictated by our subconsious. I get how it's fucked up to hurt monkeys, apes, porpoises, even octopuses. Those aren't the animals we harvest for food. Japs do eat dolphin and octopus but they sided with the nazis in WWII so their judgement is suspect.
Go eat some fucking coppa and see for yourself
>But they don't have a conscious
okay, you made this claim, but you didnt provide any evidence for it. here is a lot of scientific evidence which shows that science OVERWHELMINGLY agrees that animals are sentient and concious. theres fucking brain studies that exist on animals that show that they experience emotions
please post SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to back up your claim that animals are not conscious, or stop making claims without evidence
youtube.com
en.wikipedia.org
fcmconference.org
psychologytoday.com
theguardian.com
peta.org
news.nationalgeographic.com
sciencedaily.com
livescience.com
theconversation.com
cool, so you dont have a problem with being an immoral hypocrite? if you concede that you are a immoral hypocrite and dont care, then the debate is over, because you cant argue against the premise i presented in the op
i just think its so funny that you faggots cry about being abused by normies, that females wont have sex with you, that its immoral to have children, that your parents are horrible immoral people, yet you pay for animals to be killed for your pleasure. ENDLESS hypocrisy
this entire board is filled to the brim with hypocritical faggots like you, its basically a cess pool pity party of hypocrites
either present some kind of response trying to morally justify eating meat, or concede that you are immoral hypocrites, no different that normies who like to abuse the weak
Damn bro that sucks. These animals wouldn't hesitate for a moment to kill us if they could, why should we?
Every human on earth is a hypocrite, get used to it or seethe, it doesn't really matter to me
Meat is delicious
I hate most vegetables and will only tolerate them so I don't get fucking scurvy
I don't give a shit about morals, ethics or any of that garbage.
And yes I have watched every single propaganda piece from nearly every animal right's group on the horrors of the meat industry because although I know I won't change, I should at the very least know EXACTLY where my food is coming from
I've never once in my claimed to have morals, I'm not a cuck after all
I'm being serious, but at the same time your dedication to your futile cause is admirable user, it won't stop me from grilling some burgers later for the holiday, but admirable none the less
but op have you ever HAD pepperoni? it's amazing!
>No. They do not have the right to life. That is a human right
okay, tell me. what is the specific difference between humans and animals that makes it okay to enslave and kill animals for meat, but not humans?
please name the specific trait humans have that animals dont, that makes it okay to enslave and kill animals for meat
>They can be killed and enslaved as long as they aren't being blatantly abused
thats a fucking oxymoron, my dude. its LITERALLY a contradiction. if you treated humans the same way we treat pigs and cows, it would be the most horrific abuse imaginable
>Moral
>Stop crying
Who said I'm crying?
Because I'm not and I will continue to eat meat.
>animals have feelings and are sentient. they can suffer and have moral status. its immoral to kill animals without a justification, and theres no moral justification for enslaving and killing animals in farms, because we dont need to
yes.
Meat tastes good and as a result I give zero shits where it came from
>These animals wouldn't hesitate for a moment to kill us if they could, why should we?
thats a "2-wrongs-make-a-right" logical fallacy.
you can use this fallacious moral justification to justify anything imaginable
"its okay for us to invade, rape and genocide other countries, because if they had the power to do so, they'd do it to us"
"its okay for torture and kill people who are convicted of crime, because if they had the power to do so, they'd to it to me"
"its okay for me to steal from this store, because this store steals from poor people on the other side of the world"
etc etc. you are basically saying that might makes right when you say this. do you think might makes right?
logicallyfallacious.com
Actual argument: We are omnivores. Not herbivores. For our body to function properly, we need some things that are only found in meat.
Also answer me this: If tomorrow there is conclusive evidence that plants can feel pain, would you starve yourself to death?
yeah sure. ive had lots of different kinds of pizza's, steak, popeyes fried chicken, hamburgers from all sorts of fast food restaurants, donuts made from dairy, etc etc
but just because its enjoyable doesnt make it moral or healthy. these foods cause diabetes and are horrifically immoral
It is immoral to keep animals in poor conditions, but what about good condition farms? Think about a farm that treats its animals well, and think about their lives. Whether these farms exist or not is irrelevant, we should move towards making these farms the way things happen instead of going vegan.
> be me, pig
> am birthed into a world surrounded by others of my kind
> food is plentiful
> oink oink
> the weather is nice
> I fuck around in mud all day
> I have no predators
> The humans watch over us, and keep us safe
> I have many pig friends
> I even am able to sire children
> One day, I am taken away into a strange room
> I am put in front of a machine, which kills me. My suffering is brief.
... That sounds like a pretty good life, does it not?
Not for a human, though. Humans are vastly more intelligent than a pig and so we have an intellectual need for freedom and agency, which pigs don't care about.
What is unethical about that? Sure, it'd be better if the pigs could live long lives, but that's a good life, and the alternative is to live as a wild pig, where you have predators, lack of food, poor conditions, disease, etc.
>confusing concious with sentience
>scientific evidence for conciousness when science can't define it
>peta/wiki/youtube
Yikes dude. Let me know when animals start thinking about the meaning of life, about more than just eating/breeding, make tools and perhaps make a religion
>cool, so you dont have a problem with being an immoral hypocrite?
Well, you don't have a problem with being a hypocrite, so why should I?
Hey OP: Do you have any other videos of the horrible practices of slaughter houses?
You know...For research and shit.
Oh you're one of THOSE guys, huh? Morals are subjective, nothing is truly 'right'. Animals serve no purpose in our society other than to be eaten. Hell, some of em are activley dangerous. So no, I don't feel guilty when eating them, just like a pig wouldn't feel anything when killing a human. Fuck off moralfag
Pretty much comes down to this
>morals are subjective
So subjectively Hitler did nothing wrong?
>the purpose of animals is to be eaten
The purpose of niggers was to pick cotton. Guess slavery was okay.
>So no, I don't feel guilty when eating them, just like a pig wouldn't feel anything when killing a human
So because pigs wouldn't feel guilty about eating you, that gives you the right to hurt them? Well your dog wouldn't feel guilty about eating you, so I guess you're gonna kill your dog.
>and the alternative is to live as a wild pig
So you're saying it's okay to breed pigs, then hurt pigs, because pigs in the wild have it worse?
Okay then. I guess it's all right to have children, then hurt your children, because children out in the wild have it worse.
>We are omnivores. Not herbivores
Our anatomy is frugivorous; not omnivorous.
>we need some things that are only found in meat.
Such as?
>Hitler did nothing wrong
Absolutely based
Not previous poster but
no faggot. He specifically told you that it is not the same as humans are far more intelligent
There are no moral truths. There is nothing that is objective or factual about ethics.