Are incels really that retarded when it comes to women...

See this is the problem. Ugly people bang every day. But most incels aren't even ugly, they're otherwise normal dudes with crippling self esteem issues who spend all their time getting their psychological problems reinforced in online self harm circle jerks telling each other how unbangable they are.

I don't have a gf, but I'm down ;)

Sounds like projections and marginalizing to me.
You are better than incels in this regard how?

I created a tinder, with professional shots (designed to look not professional), rotated pictures, A/B tested bios. I got one match every 3 months.

I approach women in bars/clubs and see visible disgust. The only girl I ever slept in bed with (just cuddling) was a 4/10 and she couldn't bring herself to fuck me. Actually cried. She did mind you. I was on a ton of x and was just along for the ride...

Aaaand here we go. Don't you dare point out to an incel that his issues are in his head or he'll cry oppression/discrimination. It's shockingly predictable behavior. There are so many feep dives people have done that can be found on the youtubes. It always goes tge same way.

You avoid directly answering because you have a pre-segue answer to things. I gave you two closed questions. If all you reduce yourself down to is a jaw line, you're not maximizing what you have.
Nevermind

Not OP, but I think he will agree.

Confidence.

We're animals at the end of the day. Animals sense fear and uncertainty.

You'd be amazed at how well you and others posting in this thread would be received if you just owned your own image with a little bit of confidence.

Don't be mistaken, no one wants to fuck a disgusting unhygienic piece of shit, straight, gay, or wherever the fuck in between. Wash your dick once in a while if you want a chick to touch it. Wash your face once in a while if you want a female to touch it.

Nah, I think majority of these "incel" people are just normal people who are too afraid of being vulnerable to put themselves out there and/or lack social skills. But it sounds like towel folding user genuinely is fucked here.

It sounds like their psychological problems comes from women treating them like doormats because of their looks , and people like you gaslighting them into thinking they arent 2/10s. Its a nice big circle it looks like to me.

>"So I told the vetern to just stop having PTSD, he isnt in a combat zone anymore. And it fixed his problems overnight!"

Christ man. Get past the lame steriotype, I'm 12% bodyfat, the achne stopped in college and I'd always had it even washing my face 4 times a day with products.

I have a 6 figure career. I work out. I own a home. And my face is fucking clean. So what's next?

And yet I guarantee someone as ugly or uglier than you is banging right this instant.

Have sex with me please! Why don't you wamt meee?

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Yeah a 2/10 is banging a 2/10. Believe it or not I don't want to fuck a 2/10 either. Some people can accept that, I can't. It doesn't turn me on, idk what more I can do. And no 6/10 or better is fucking my ass unless I'm willing to cough up cash.

Incel is just the buzzword I use, everyone replying knows what I mean.
Out of curiosity how well do you do with helping others? What do you do that's social? How could you increase your social surface area?

You have a linear view on value and it's literal 1-d/number line thinking and it's no good chief.

I actually do... This is very accurate. At least value in the context of women, obviously if there wasn't a part of me that thought I had value to the greater whole, I'd have just offed myself.

Yeah talking to you people about this shit isn't anything at all like asking the guy with ptsd to stop having ptsd.

It's trying to get the guy with ptsd to realize that what he has is fucking ptsd and to seek treatment for ptsd instead of spending all his time doing things that trigger his ptsd thinking it'll make him better.

This. Stuff like women choosing men based on appearance and money is 100% true. It's not a good reason to hate women though.

>muh confidence
hard to be confident when there's nothing in real life to base your "confidence" off of.

I volunteered in college for a charity my parents had a connection to and really enjoyed it. Tbh it's something I'd really like to do as a regular activity with friends or an SO. I struggle in socal situations obviously and find it hard to do things in general without someone, so I don't get to do a lot of things...

I'll start by quoting you...

"Christ, man"... Get over your own self-loathing and recognize that I was giving a general example and not calling you out directly. I don't even know what you look like, you college-educated, six-figure making, fuckless fuck.

It's no wonder you don't get laid. You think you can fill the void in your soul with cash, a house, and muscles? Fuck no.

Drop the "everything's a personal attack" attitude and maybe you'll get somewhere.

>"You arent THAT ugly"
>"Just be yourself"
>"Just have confidence"

>the stereotypical soft spoken nice guy personality goes up to a girl
>ugly
>shot down simultaneously because of his looks and his personality

>"Just pretend you arent a 2/10"
>"By confidence, I mean change who you are and dont be yourself. Pretend you are someone else because your actual personality is a turn off"

People sit and coddle trannies because 41% of them try to kill themselves because they cant reconcile their personality and their body.
Yet all of incels problems with their bodies and their inherent personalities get no such respect.
They get gaslighting and projections with people who dont have a clue and lack empathy. Posts like are typical.