What does Zig Forums think of Universal Basic Income?

>ubi
>slavery
literally how do you people even exist

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Stop trying to fucking rebrand socialism. Fuck off.

>using currency in place of money
>someone else has control of what your currency is worth
>you think you don't have masters
Youre so cute

Good but more complex. automation is going to wipe a lot of jobs out. whites and blacks in america aren't having a lot of kids. So first we need to cut all immigration down to almost nothing so we have a smaller population in order to transition into ubi.
You can't have illegal mexicans breeding off cooldown and ubi.

Then what is it, if not dependency on government?
UBI is another rebranded socialist scheme to justify lazy NONworkers.
You don’t work, you don’t live. Simple as that.

probably the only real answer to systemic bullying

There is never going to be a transition to UBI.
Sorry friend.

youtu.be/lF17Wy3keRo

Where trillion-dollar companies like Amazon would otherwise pay zero in taxes or even get tax rebates, a VAT would be a nearly unavoidable pay of paying your government. But, instead of the government just taking it and blow it out their ass doing something completely retarded, they'd give it back to the people they were supposed to govern in the form of a universal sigma-free dividend.
And no, it would not cause inflation.
Programs like UBI actually do the opposite of inflation and provide a deflationary pressure. If you print money then yes there is inflation -- But Yang's plan doesn't call for printing money but instead a Value-Added Tax. Everyone pays in, but those who consume the most pay in the most. This tends to be the wealthier. The wealthier also spend their money slower than someone living paycheck to paycheck. Then everyone gets the same amount back: $1,000/mo. By increasing the purchasing power of the lower tier, you increase the velocity of money (how quickly the same dollar bill is spent). Each time the dollar exchanges hands economic activity is generated. The more often and quickly this happens, the more the economy grows. As the economy grows there are increased production efficiencies and more competition in the marketplace. This brings prices down. Since the total money supply didn't change, boom: deflation, not inflation. Yang isn't a politician. He has a degree in Economics from Brown and a Law Degree from Columbia. He knows this stuff, and he knows politicians from both sides aren't doing anything to help us, so he is.

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I prefer Negative Income Tax.

Stop using terms you do not know the definition of

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the real socialists are the $BB international corporations that leech kickbacks from the government off the surplus labour value (tax) of individuals

literally
>is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
this will come out of tax dollars, of course ancap will be absolutely disgusted

And yet none of what you just said will ever happen.
Congrats on completely wasting your time.

Eh depends where it comes from. If it comes from just taxing the middle class no. If it was from taxing mega buisness data farming everyone sure.

Sounds pretty epic but Poland has shown us that social programs that are basically "Free money" only cause inflation and higher taxes.

What will is society collapsing in on itself
You really think this species could slave and slaughter their way to the stars? Somehow discover a warp drive and not immediately kill themselves?
Or higher entities putting them down like dogs?
Yeah if humanity is so irredeemable "free freedom" seems mad to them, then this really is it

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Even if you steal the entire GDP for redistribution, you still wouldn't have enough currency to pay for all these entitlements.
"Tax the rich" doesn't even make sense.. how do you people not understand this? Do you not understand that 2 is larger than 1 in all cases?

How many collapses have central banks caused? Tons.
This iteration is nothing special. Your ancestors dealt with financial collapse, you will deal with financial collapse. Youre not special. This collapse isn't special just because you happen to be in it.

you realize amazon and all these mega buisness have huge amounts of capital. Mega corporations Companies all get bailed out all the time. They can afford it. Not into this Bernie sanders tax the fuck out of the rich nonsense but you could literally put a price on farming data from every single citizen and afford some form of UBI.

Socialism is a system where the workers own the means of production. How the fuck does the UBI help workers gain autonomy over their means of production?

VAT taxes by their nature are regressive. Wouldn't you rather an equity tax?

Again, you lack the mental capacity to understand the huge scope of entitlements. The entitlements we already have on the books are impossible to pay. Period.
Now you want to add trillions more.
"Just tax the rich" he says
Youre a fucking moron. The currency for the project youre talking about doesn't exist. In bezos account or any other. That volume of currency doesn't exist. You can't just steal it. It doesn't exist.

Anyone getting anything for free is socialism, and socialism is communism, and we go to WAR with communists.
Don't worry about subsidies for big business. Or tax cuts for big business. That's not free because they're making money elsewhere, see? And if we let them make MORE money, eventually that will make its way back to us, don't you see?

Nigras are already at negative GDP. Why make it worse???

youtu.be/G-kdXGfxY6o

Humans have nukes now that could destroy the Earth one hundred times over
If something goes wrong with a warp drive humans could perish in a picosecond
If there are higher lifeforms that see a line of featureless ratpeople that somehow reached the stars anyway through slaughter and slavery and plan on poisoning other worlds, what would stop them from ending the suffering of the souls damned inside such satanic bodies let alone killing others that are developing?
There's a reason the majority of humanity believes they'll be killed off via nuclear fallout, or some alien conflict.
Humans are horrible creatures fueled by their own vanity and rage. Xenophobia mixed with familiarity that breeds contempt and you have a dish of living suffering shit

Cant even tell if irony or retard. Well done !

Retarded idea that will force the workers to pay for lazy scumbags that deserve to starve. Any form of socialwelfare is wrong, the productive should never have to pay for the lazy to survive.

Yang is such a fucking idiot.

I know he thinks he's smart, and short term, UBI might help certain things, but corporations run the government.
It just causes inflation and doesn't provide extra services because we already have free clinics, education won't change because of bureaucracy, and GDP and profits will always reign supreme

Using their UBI workers could buy their own machinery, photographers buy their own cameras, etc... literally socialism.

Wow someone really gulped down the kool-aid

Sounds like a great plan

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Guess all these other people are retards too then?

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Animals don't get universal caloric income if they fail to eat, this is a cancerous idea that will collapse

you're giving "(((them)))" entirely too much credit fag