Disliking Bach is a sign of low musical intelligence.
There's a reason why every major composer for the past few hundreds years has absolutely adored Bach and been deeply inspired by his work. And that reason is because the music that Bach created was simply brilliant.
If you don't Iove the baroque style compared to later styles thats one thing. But you have to respect the ingenious of Bach's work.
Disliking Bach is like disliking Shakespeare or Isaac Newton. It comes off as ignorant.
I Two old men, father-and son-in-law, Liszt and Wagner, are staying by the Grand Canal together with the restless woman who is married to King Midas, he who changes everything he touches to Wagner. The ocean's green cold pushes up through the palazzo floors. Wagner is marked, his famous Punchinello profile looks more tired than before, his face a white flag. The gondola is heavy-laden with their lives, two round trips and a one-way.
II A window in the palazzo flies open and everyone grimaces in the sudden draft. Outside on the water the trash gondola appears, paddled by two one-oared bandits. Liszt has written down some chords so heavy, they ought to be sent off to the mineralological institute in Padua for analysis. Meteorites! Too heavy to rest, they can only sink and sink straight through the future all the way down to the Brownshirt years. The gondola is heavy-laden with the future's huddled-up stones.
III Peep-holdes into 1990.
March 25th. Angst for Lithuania. Dreamt I visited a large hospital. No personnel. Everyone was a patient.
In the same dream a newborn girl who spoke in complete sentences.
IV Beside the son-in-law, who's a man of the times, Liszt is a moth-eaten grand seigneur. It's a disguise. The deep, that tries on and rejects different masks, has chosen this one just for him— the deep that wants to enter people without ever showing its face.
V
Asher Lopez
Abbé Liszt is used to carrying his suitcase himself through sleet and sunshine and when his time comes to die, there will be no one to meet him at the station. A mild breeze of gifted cognac carries him away in the midst of a commission. He always has commissions. Two thousand letters a year! The schoolboy who writes his misspelled word a hundred times before he's allowed to go home. The gondola is heavy-laden with life, it is simple and black.
VI Back to 1990.
Dreamt I drove over a hundred miles in vain. Then everything magnified. Sparrows as big as hens sang so loud that it briefly struck me deaf.
Dreamt I had drawn piano keys on my kitchen table. I played on them, mute. The neighbors came over to listen.
VII The clavier, which kept silent through all of Parsifal (but listened), finally has something to say. Sighs...ospiri... When Liszt plays tonight he holds the sea-pedal pressed down so the ocean's green force rises up through the floor and flows together with all the stone in the building. Good evening, beautiful deep! The gondola is heavy-laden with life, it is simple and black.
VIII Dreamt I was supposed to start school but arrived too late. Everyone in the room was wearing a white mask. Whoever the teacher was, no one could say.
Justin King
lmao the absolute state of youtube pseuds people today still won't play as fast as beethoven's original tempi
the popular version people like of Pachelbel's canon is a modern arrangement that is very different from the original. the real composer of that popular piece is Jean Francois Paillard
What are your thoughts on tiktok compilations as ear training? Since it's songs in every fuckin key randomly interrupting each other, I'd say it can be quite challenging to keep up for ten minutes and know what key the last song is in.
this is the best excuse for watching tiktoks i've heard. also i've been wondering, why do people do ear training? i get the practical applications of being able to sightread complex rhythms, transcribe music by ear, whatever, but why do you want to know what key the songs are in?
If you dont have perfect pitch how can you tell the key by ear? If you do have perfect pitch why would you bother with this?
Jayden Wood
I've been shilling Feinberg for months now, and last year I dedicated a lot of time to Boulanger, but most of the replies I got were a variation on the theme of >woman >good composer
Lucas Reed
If you like sacred music Messe Sonellenne Requiem - Grande Messe Des Morts Op 5 Te Deum Op 22
If you like instrumental music Symphonie Fantastique Op 14 Harold En Italie Op 16 Grande Symphonie Funèbre Et Triomphale Op 15
If you like music that defies categorization Lélio, Ou Le Retour À La Vie - Mélologue En Six Parties Op 14b Roméo Et Juliette - Symphonie Dramatique Op 17
If you like cantatas/oratorios La Damnation De Faust - Légende Dramatique Op 24 L'Enfance Du Christ Op 25
If you like opera Benvenuto Cellini Op 23 Les Troyens (warning, outWagnering Wagner since before the Ring Cycle) Béatrice Et Bénédict Op 27
Berlioz has, sadly and thankfully, a succint oeuvre
Nolan Murphy
knowing what key the songs are in isn't the main purpose just a fun way to test yourself you get a good ear to understand harmony at a deeper level of course it's the most useful if you're interested in writing or analyzing music you start with a reference obviously
Hunter Kelly
Is all of Schubert's music angsty?
Cameron Barnes
um, no, listen to something other than Winterreise
Logan Gutierrez
Fuck! I forgot: Berlioz's contribution to the lieder genre is very limited, but very important: He's considered the father of the orchestrated lied. He wrote a number of lieder here and there but only six of them were published as a collection: Les Nuits D'Été Op 7
more like symphony = concerto = ballet > chamber music > masses, requiems, te deums > oratorio = cantata > opera > lied
Thomas Lewis
what's your opinion on symphonies with singers and chorus
Kayden Young
here, I'd put them in the same tier as masses/requiems if the choral/singing parts are too prominent and if they're relegated to one movement then back to the top with regular symphonies
Ryan Flores
symphony > concerto > string quartet > sonata > opera > symphonies with singers and chorus > oratorio
Matthew King
rough
Grayson Nguyen
There's very very very few symphonies that justify their length, bombast and firetruckery in general
Firetruck is the ultimate plebfilter. Once you understand it, you've understood music. Firetruck is the ultimate form of expression and anything less than that is minutiae.
Jason Torres
have you been reading the tread, you illiterate homosexual?
i am so glad we have classical music. i know we can argue endlessly about taste but at the end of the day we have a huge amount of music that we can listen to freely and that is wonderful. love you all
Brayden Perez
Lol, I struck a nerve huh, I already forgot about my post of yesterday and now is see mofartfags are still going about it. Just a reminder that the classical era is Routine music.
Justin Jones
How the fuck can the classical era have such a predictable harmonic language, is infuriating to my trained ear, in the Baroque and romantic periods there can be alot of surprises but the classical era is pure monotony, fuck you will never find a plagal cadence in Mozart, that just shows how limited the classical era is. Keep telling yourself that you are listening to "subtle" music when in reality is the most safe and predictable music of the common practice.
Lucas Green
>I struck a nerve huh uh, no? do you think that any reaction to anything you say means you've "struck a nerve"? are you 12?
Ian Peterson
>implying Mozart doesn't have "a lot of surprises" How the fuck
Joshua Lewis
You're going about a random post I made yesterday in another thread, into this new fresh thread, move on buddy.
Daniel Davis
it's called earletism
Levi Lopez
>you can make references to past threads so you ARE 12, huh, I guess I struck a nerve
Christopher White
youtu.be/08uY0-ehL-w >interesting beginning, pretty routine after that That says it all, The classical era is Routine music
Chase Watson
>pretty routine after that You have to be a earlet to say that, the development is absolute kino, sorry if there isnt enough minor keys or super obvious counterpoint for you to get it.
Kevin Price
>Lol, I struck a nerve huh, I already forgot about my post of yesterday and now is see mofartfags are still going about it.
I remember still the first time I heard Haydn's surprise symphoy, in G Major, no. 94. It was 73, Bernstein was in the podium with the trusthy Vienna Phil. I'd never heard Haydn before, and found myself thoroughly entertained. I'd heard Haydn was a fun-loving fellow, and it certainly showed in his music. I distinctly remember bopping my head to the tune of the first movement. But nothing could prepare me for the absolute show of wit that was about to come in movement number 2, when happened the eponymous suprise. A sudden blast! A loud, fortissimo chord, and just after a lenghty pianissimo section! I burst out laughing. "Oh Haydn" I remember thinking, barely managing to think straight at all between my chuckles and wheezing. "What a prankster! What a jokester!" The audience attemped to calm me down, some even asking how I'd not known about the famous suprise by then, popular as it was. Were they not happy one had been lucky enough to live to that point and still feel the pure, unadulterated Haydn genius? Were they jealous? I did not know then, and do not care now. I tried to calm myself, but kept chuckling all throughout the variations in the next movement. At the edge of my seat, I waited for the repeat of the blast, this time hoping to control myself. Imagine my surprise then, during the repeat of the first section, when the surprise surprised me further by not showing up at all! At that point I feared for my life, such was the lack of oxygen from my guffawling fit. They only managed to removed me from the facility putting an end to my disruption after I'd already soaked the floor in urine.
I agree, I just wish that classical was more popular. We know that good classical music can be thrilling and surprising, that some pieces make you feel chills down your spine for their entire duration, but the ordinary person with a short attention span who never listened to a symphony actively all the way through thinks that classical music is just slow, boring classy shit pseuds listen to look smart.
Ian Green
Classical was never made for mass consumption, it was made to amuse bored aristocrats and to praise god I guess
Charles Watson
All music is shit. Six weeks ago, I was walking along a road and at the roadside, there were a few conifers, planted right next to each other, creating a dense barrier. It was a windy day. The sound the wind made when it hit those trees, this particular, well-tempered noise, it can only be described as a religious experience. Truly sublime. It stopped me dead in my tracks. I had the privilege to listen to it for half an hour before I had to get moving again. Now, up until that day, I always thougt that Josquin Desprez or Orlande de Lassus were the closest semblance of what might be called "God's voice on earth". Not anymore. That half hour of divine, fractal noise of streams of wind, thousandfoldly bifurcated between the trees' needles, profanized those composers for me. For good. To say nothing about the rest of all musicians. A few days ago, I segmented music into "art music" and "entertainment music". Not anymore. Art is entertainment. At the very best, it can point, like an index finger, to the divine and open our eyes and ears and soul to it. The noise of the wind hitting these conifers that day, however, WAS the divine itself. Never have I derived such deep satisfaction, found such profound and existential solace than I did that day next to those trees. I stopped listening to music. I shall meet the divine on these rare occasions in nature. Listening to consumerist music - and ALL music is consumerist! - will not fill my cup anymore. If anything, it can only remind me of the cup's existence. I hope, for all of you, that one day, just like me, you also will have an opportunity to discard this earthly, profane dirt called music. I so much wish it for you. I will repost this every day from now on.
Are Augustín Barrios' Venezuelan Waltzes in any of these folders?
Elijah Perez
>thinks that classical music is just slow, boring classy shit pseuds listen to look smart. that's literally true for cl*ssical peroid and most of romanticism though
Bentley Peterson
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO BE FIRE TRUCK!!!!!!!! MOZART? HAYDN? SCHUBERT? MENDELSSOHN? SCHUMANN? CHOPIN? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT. LOUOOOOOOOOOIIIIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD. ENOOOOIIIIOOOIIIIIIUUUUUUUUUUUUGH.
Speaking of Haydn surprises, I was listening to The Creation for the first time with headphones at a low volume today and youtu.be/BOyMWpCntVk?t=138 was still so fucking loud it felt like a bomb exploded, holy shit
love that one sad how i forgot all those songs learning classical is defintely not like riding a bike. dont play it for a couple months and tjat shit sprouts wings and flies off into the sunset
i feel that its bad, but couldnt explain why. seems an unarticulated mess with bare exposition and jump right into the theme, thats at 1:30 couldnt endure further. can you point out whats bad about it?
Asher Foster
Cringe and gay
Parker Cooper
Wind poster is back
Camden Parker
It feels affected, insincere and caricaturesque. The message is not "here's some good music made by a mexican" but "here's mexican music". Meandering potpurri of mexicanesque melodies and sounds, like a parody of the arabesques and orientalisms and "spanish" flavour of the french impressionists, except they made it work. This music feels like nothing and achieves nothing, except a brief "hey, Mexico" from the listener, followed by indiference.
Samuel Wilson
The worst part it it’s usually not even a crafty lead into to the repeat. Just a full stop period and then the beginning starts again.
Hudson Ortiz
Adding this to the 12 post folder
Christian Jones
you can't ear train perfect pitch, which is what being able to tell cold what key a song is in is. ear training a meme used by undergrads to pass an aural skills test that the bureaucracy has decided is what makes a musician. for people who actually write music it is just a by-product of listening, playing and writing a lot.
Wyatt Wright
don't listen to this. this is bad advice. listen to music you like and don't worry about perceptions. otherwise you'll end up shilling scriabin and confusing the purpose of listening to music.
Ryan Davis
is traffic music?
Dominic Ross
Don't listen to this. This is bad advise. Listen to Scriabin and don't worry about people telling you what to do. Otherwise you'll never listen to Scriabin and that's no way to live.
Bump can any russian explain why I can search stuff anymore?
Alexander Cooper
youth.be/Xq2gwuKDPnY >Webern - Symphony, op. 21 >start to finish in under 10 minutes >symmetry on multiple scales and in both directions >extreme subtlety and restraint >12 tone yet accessible If there’s ever been an anti-firetruck symphony, this is it.
Ryder Edwards
Webern's symphony is pretty mediocre, especially compared to his opp 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 20, 22, 24 and 28
Aiden Gray
Like all of his oeuvre, the beauty of Webern's Symphonie is delicate and exacting. It requires a particular kind of conductor. Compare Kegel and Dohnányi to Boulez:
Herbert Kegel conducting the Rundfunk-Sinfonieorchester Leipzig youtu.be/Qw1sqOoBFH4
Fuck I had to make an account, now it works again, time to download obscure renaissance masses.
Logan Johnson
I've never been to rutracker. Is it anything like the old days of demonoid when first you had to get an invite and then they subjected you to an exam of sorts to know what the fuck a FLAC was and all that? Or do people not do that kinda shit anymore
Carter Fisher
Lol i'm a zoomer dont know what you're talking about, as for rutracker, it is a normal torrent site and pretty much the 70/80% of my classical folder comes from rutracker, now it seems that you have to make an account for searching stuff or maybe its just me not understanding russian.
Jason Campbell
but zoomers don't know bout muh superior slsk, older than kazaa and limeware amd ares amd emule and napster (ok not older than napster by like a year) and STILL the best p2p around YOOOO
Oliver Sanchez
I wish classical had an era like modal jazz, where people just said "hey hey lets just calm done and play like just 2 chords man and lets focus entirely on the melodies"
Cameron Collins
That's called classical era and it's only 2 chords (tonic and dominant) and they're focused entirely on the melodies.
Michael Barnes
but bro haven't you heard turns out classical period SUXXORz LULZZZ
Liam Wood
no
Lucas Wood
Why does /classical/ hate melodies?
Jose Peterson
We don't
Ethan Cooper
melodies are specifically designed for plebs to like the music.
Jackson Nelson
Why the loaded question?
Austin Gray
yah
Asher Sullivan
deezloader?
Charles Jones
Petzold
Carter Cruz
>pop is also folk, it's literally post-blues
Grayson Peterson
nice op have to record part of electric counterpoint for conservatoire, any tips?
The thing that infuriates me is people equating music performance with music writing. It’s like assuming just because someone can type really fast they must be really good at writing novels. There’s actually only some overlap with the two skills
Austin Jones
music writing improves your concentration and is really good for improvisation. it also helps with sight-reading which makes learning and practicing a composition easier.
Jacob Green
Which one?
Nathan Rodriguez
Where the fuck is Glen Ghoul? I miss his shitposting and reddit-plagiarism desu
Obviously you can't train perfect pitch, you just start with a reference note if you do any kind of exercise. Regardless of how bureaucracy decided, it's pointless to compose without such aural skills anyway, like why would you compose if you can't even process what you hear when you listen to music?
Michael Phillips
if you do contrapuntal exercises often enough you will write so many 6ths, tritones, thirds, le's, te's, ra's, etc. that there will be no need to train "aural skills", which from what i can see are memorizing what an augmented triad sounds like and intervals, as if doing that out of context has any value whatsoever (it doesn't). those are a meme and completely worthless. so many people are like "how can i remember this interval" and downloading these apps which play random intervals, etc. they are doing it completely improperly. you use pure interval knowledge in modulation - that is, if you haven't baked the modulation into your mind already (many pianists will be able to sight sing a I - V, I -IV without even thinking about it, because they PLAY those all the time). within a scale, solfege is more than enough, rather than intervals. with solfege you don't even need to calculate intervals, you just bake the nature of the scale degree in your mind. you'll write music without having to "compute" an interval whatsoever. and yet, because of this meme of intervals and ear training and aural skills, people go about doing things completely wrong. it happens over and over again. enough with the ear training. it's a complete meme and completely useless. the best way to understand the nature of a chord, is to write a lot of chords and develop/follow rules for voice leading by writing on paper. you will write so many that learning what a major triad third inversion sounds like out of context will be stupid (because it is). stop with ear training, stop with aural skills. these are complete memes and completely worthless. nobody who writes music trains their ears like this. it's a college meme invented because bureaucracies are stupid and have to stuff the curriculum with something. writing music, listening to music and doing practical contrapuntal exercises are "ear" training.
Jacob Scott
He was the SOUL of /classical/ all along, now we are a SOULLESS general.
>tfw you're finally making some big breakthroughs in your technique but can only have lessons with teacher via video calls reeeee corona fuck off
Evan Lewis
>so many people are like "how can i remember this interval" and downloading these apps which play random intervals, etc. Do people in higher education actually do this? Aren't you supposed to know how intervals sound by the age of 12 or something?
Ayden Adams
the sound of the interval maybe, though not necessarily the names. not everybody has access to musical education from a young age.
Landon Wright
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