In the 19th century there was Beethoven, Wagner, Haydn, Mahler, Bizet, Brahms, Chopin, Schubert, Lizst, Mendelssohn, Berlioz, Sibelius, Bellini, Prokofiev, Puccini, Bruckner, Rossini. In the 21st century we have literally nothing thats even close. Why did this happen?
In the 19th century there was Beethoven, Wagner, Haydn, Mahler, Bizet, Brahms, Chopin, Schubert, Lizst, Mendelssohn...
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Jordan Edwards
Composers of the past have already had their legacies put in place and you know what to listen to because of historical precedent. This is not true of current classical music. There is no precedents you have to find the good stuff yourself.
Ethan Lewis
Music died at the end of the 20th century as a result of the Telecom Act and Napster. The only artists left are zoomers and industry plants.
Lucas Green
>you have to find the good stuff yourself.
Post reccs bucko
Brayden Barnes
No, you're being a whiny dick so I won't. Find it yourself.
Justin Campbell
fuckin technology
Aiden Edwards
yes we do. you're just a close-minded boomer who's music taste is limited anything pre-21st century
Hudson Cooper
Then post it and tell us why it's good.
Nathan Green
I'm not whining :( Bucko is like comrade.
Henry Ward
Can you put in any effort on your part at all? Can you even name 5 21st century composers? Have you listened to any classical music composed in the last 10 years?
Anthony Morris
a 5 second google search will show you all the significant and memorable artists/bands of the 21st century
Jaxson Rivera
In the past, art music was something enjoyed and promoted by the aristocratic class. They don't exist anymore and the 21st century elites don't give a shit about art music so it turned into insular niche music for the intellectual class, which don't have nearly as much sway over popular culture and what gets celebrated. It still exists though, it's just not enjoyable to laypeople anymore.
Leo Cruz
Haydn was 18th century and Prokofiev was 20th century.
Cooper White
Haydn had many works in the 19th century.
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Ethan Hill
You mean barely any
Jordan Bailey
If like 9 is barely any
Wyatt Rivera
Stop deflecting and answer the post, fraud
So the OP is right
Oliver Rogers
Name 5 21st century classical works you have actually listened to in full.
Asher Nelson
Out of over 1000 compositions, yes barely any.
Michael Martinez
Yeah but it's not nothing. 9 isn't 1. You can write a 600 page book on his 19th century period
William Sanders
>Why did this happen?
Democracy.
High culture lost its status once there were no higher classes to put normies in their places and uphold patrician values. Consoomerism and media shifted value systems to the lowest common denominator and keeps promoting what sells to the highest numbers of consoomers, thus perpetuating this vicious circle. In other words, what appeals to the highest number is also what gets aired in the media most and also what defines the lowest, most pleb kind of values.
As a result of all these, higher forms of art became just a niche for connoisseurs and moneyed nouveaux riches who like to larp as being sophisticated.
Nicholas Long
partly because the 21's century is just barely 20% done, mostly because the style is basically dead and uninteresting to most of the population.
>Consoomerism, commodities etc did not exist before democracy
Bentley Gomez
BECAUSE IT'S JUST FUCKING VOWELS. FOREIGN SUBSIDISED FUCKING VOWELS
Aiden Young
>Consoomerism, commodities etc did not exist before democracy
Not for the lower uneducated classes.
John Anderson
No, they did not because the masses were not a political and economic subject of history. People were not enfranchised so they made a lot less in terms of purchasing power than today. It wasn't a meme that 19th century capitalists were exploiting the plebs, they really did. Plebs lived in awful conditions, sometimes 10 people in one room and barely survived on a meager pay.
There wasn't much if any consoomerism back then, because demand-side economics wasn't born, this happened after Keynes, in the 1930s. So policy makers didn't have this concept that you should encourage plebs to consoom to grow the economy, this is a 20th century thing.
If you're not aware of these historical subtleties, study a bit before making those implications.
Jeremiah Butler
if democracy is needed to make artless trash music how did K-Pop start?
sounds like you've confused the natural development of a middle class with democracy, retards
Hunter Robinson
K-pop was first produced in a democracy, dipshit.
Logan White
K-pop is a typical product of Asian consoomerism. Asians adopted Western culture and larp as Westernoids, even tho it's a sort of a dandy-ironic thing. They took the aesthetic forms from the West and put their own Asian spin on it.
Camden Thomas
You're aware there's two Koreas right?
Chase Turner
Cameron Roberts
Not him, but you are wrong.
Jace Watson
Based retard
Blake Wright
youre comparing 100 years to 20
Brandon Sanchez
Isn't Prokofiev 20th century? Anyway, 21st century classical music, from what I can gather from classical radio stations, is geared to smaller scale works rather than the grand productions of days gone by. This is probably because the rich who used to support composers and orchestras can't be bothered anymore, or simply have no culture in them.
Robert Clark
He could have compared post-WW2 to 2020 and you'd get the same outcome. High culture is dead and pleb autotuned crap rules.