Is John Byrne's Doom Patrol worth a read? I see the omnibus is only like 50 on IST

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It didn't even fucking do that. She was just alive again and we had to settle for a super bullshit "Chief saved her charred, lifeless skull and put it in a vat and it just so happened that Rita didn't regenerate her body/regain her mind right before Infinite Crisis.

Classic Byrne. Does it also contain moments where men in positions of power smack around females? Or is that a rhetorical question.

For context: Cliff and Rita got sent back in time but look just like they did in the past though they don't notice it. As Rita was retconned by Byrne to be the youngest member of Doom Patrol, this meant that everyone else saw her as a kid. Which made Cliff kissing her super fucking awkward when others saw the kiss since they weren't aware of the perception filter.

Is there a reason why THIS got reprinted and not say the Arcudi, Giffen, or Pollack Doom Patrol?

Seems like an awfully convoluted way to end up at patented John Byrne "hot loli action".

Is the Pollack DP worth reading?

Absolutely not.

So besides Superman time-travelling to tongue Lana, Cliff and loli Rita, and adolescent Sue lusting after college Reed, what other "opportunities" has Byrne taken in Big 2 comics?
Not worth considering his indie stuff where he can really unleash himself.

Boring Doom Patrol is barely worth discussion if it isn't Morrison oddball shit.

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It has the original Doom Patrol in it and is self-contained for better or worse.

IIRC the Pollack run can't be reprinted due to DC having lost the original art files/what art files they do have being in bad condition. Giffen's run was reprinted ages ago but the post-Giffen stuff from the late 00s run has never been collected and IIRC, DiDio hates it because the writer that replaced Giffen spent the last issue shitting on Flashpoint and the impending reboot, as Doom Patrol was one of several books that were prematurely canceled to make room on the release schedule for the Flashpoint spin-offs and as such, didn't get time to wrap up their storylines like everyone else did.

Also, the Arcudi run is a glorified Robotman solo book made worse by the fact that Arcudi wrote Cliff so out of character that there was some serious convoluted retconning done midway through the book to undo the damage (and saw the tranny love interest for Cliff getting killed by Dorothy, who dies at the end of the book)

Only the Richard Case drawn issues. DC swapped Case with Ted McKeever (mid-storyline at that) midway through her run and McKeever's artwork pretty much kills the book in terms of making it unreadable.

Only the first arc of Giffen's run was reprinted iirc.

IIRC he was the one who came up with the idea of having 13 year old Kitty lusting after Colossus, who was around 19-20 years old. Not to mention having Mattie Franklin (who was around 15-16 years old) repeatedly force herself onto Spider-Man.

>pol

Forgot about the former, did not know about the latter.

Was that him or Claremont that had that idea? And the Mattie Franklin thing was definitely Byrne's (he wrote that issue of ASM where it happened)

There's a bit in Generations 2 or 3 that has a age-frozen superman kid locking lips with Batman (or a descendant of batman)
There's also the time that Superman had his mind fucked with and he tried to rape donna troy
Also in his process to "fix" Donna he had her die and be tortured over and over, and there was probably some rape in that
Because his name still sells a bit, and DC probably doesn't have to pay him that much for stuff from 2004.
A former editor in the collected editions department recently revealed that the Pollack stuff is in very bad condition and looks like crap when they tried to make a trade for it after the three-morrison set

It has her moments but suffers from Morrison salting the earth on his way out the door. She does her best to redeem Chief and she pushes Robotman/Dorothy as a surrogate father/daughter (and gives Cliff a tranny girlfriend who was a self-insert for Pollack). She also wholesale retcons Chief causing Cliff's accident, claiming that a demon really did it per a deal Cliff made as a kid that he would sell his soul to said demon if he made Cliff grow up super strong (as far as retconning Cliff a weak nerdy kid who everyone picked on).

But it falls apart in the end as Pollack goes on a spiel about Kabalah and the tree of life mysticism.

Also for added context; Pollack hid being a tranny under McKeever outed her (he was upset that he wasn't allowed any say on the plotlines) and in something that would never happen today, Pollack's 90s era SJW feminist comic industry friends turned on her and got her blackballed from comics because Pollack had given a big spiel to the Heather McDonalds of the comic industry about how she was using her own real life experiences as a teenager having periods, in writing Dorothy (who in the comics, had her reality warping powers tied to her menstration cycle) and they went all TERF on her because "trannies aren't real women".

Claremont I can see having Kitty crush on Colossus, Byrne is the sort that would have her literally try and throw herself on his dick.

McKeever also outed her as a transwoman back in the 1990s

>Oh and Cliff is a pedophile/making out with a teeage Rita storyline that embodied the worse excesses of Byrne's sex stories.

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Well, it'd certainly be a roundabout way of accomplishing this but the versions of the issues on readcomiconline seem to be fine.

readcomiconline.to/Comic/Doom-Patrol-1987

Godammit John

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This is indie Byrne tho, doing his own X-Men, but with pederasty and blackjack.

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I only remember Kitty kissing Colossus under a mistletoe saying "Merry Christmas, sexy".

The whole Dark Phoenix Saga with Mastermind is arguably rapey but that's just as much Claremont as it is Byrne.

She did her level best to fuck him during the Brood Saga.

Ha, and he used Donna Troy being a mess as a justification for rebooting

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That was well after Byrne had left though. Claremont and Cockrum.

No wait, that is definitely Claremont.

>Cliff is a pedophile/making out with a teeage Rita
Hello? BASED department? That's right. Byrne did it again.

Let's be fair, Donna Troy had become the replacement-wife of Marv Wolfman's persopna; divorce by that point.

In his OMAC he has his adult male protag offered underage girls by some village he helped or something along those lines.

And I know you said just big two stuff, but in Next Men he has a pregnant 12 year old girl get a camera shoved up her vagina while she's tied down.

*personal, oof.

But that's just regular X-Men

And she became a literal tulpa under the pen of Byrne. He just kind of dumped that on his way off the book, and it took until Devin Grayson to write Titans a few years later to dig in to that weird status quo.

Well, Byrne was part of the defining X-men run so that's still on him.

Fuck off Pedo

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