At what point did South Park start to go downhill?

At what point did South Park start to go downhill?

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When they went down Phil Collins Hill, naturally.

Almost immediately. Then it got better. Then it took a nose dive about in 2013 or so.

The quality of South Park is inversely proportional to how much they focus on Randy

When they got rid of chef, the show can still be okay but it's more miss than hit now

Most people would say Tegridy Farms, but I'd argue that the console war season was where things really started to suck.

Seasons 11-13 have quite a few meh episodes but a lot of classics too. Seasons 14-18 were increasingly mediocre. Season 19 was great, the serialized format had clearly breathed new life into the show. But then Season 20 went to shit once they miscalculated the 2016 election. Every season since then has been pretty bad. I liked Band in China and the pandemic special but that's it really, they really should retire this show already.

yeah there's something off about the intro, i don't know what to call it but it doesn't feel right

When you grew up and realized that you can find better humor somewhere else

Trey and Matt should just stick to movies. I enjoy south park for what it is, but their theatrical works are far superior.

They can't really into TV season length storytelling but their movies are awesome. The South Park movie is one of the best things the series ever did.

always when they try something different than obscene humour.

The writers are stupid as a rock, and South Park is basically a church sermon for pseudo edgy people.

I think the problem was when they became grown ass adults and basically lost their sense of college humor which was what made older SP so good

Season long story arcs (Tegridy Farms, Ads, Member berries, Trolls, Manbearpig)

Trump stuff aside, they definitely fucked up with the Memberberries. Which is a shame because I hate the Star Wars sequels, so Trey and Matt being the only people trashing them was refreshing.

Right after Season 20, the level of quality from post and pre s20 is jarring. No one can refute this.

That was a stinker from a pretty great season though.

Started getting crappy around 2009.
Went to absolute shit in 2014
Unredeemable in 2016

I don't know if continuity is to blame, but it was the exact season it went bad.
It was also the same time they decided to do one full season in the fall instead of 2 mini-seasons in spring and fall.
Kind of was lazy too. With spring and fall you got 14 episodes a year, and it kept it fresh in your mind. With just fall its 12.
Also they've missed or just skipped episodes since going fall only.
I don't think they've done a full 12 since 2015.
I think they missed their first; as in said we fucked up and couldn't make it in time, in 2017
I think they've missed an episode every year since or they skipped unannounced.
Like 2017-2019 there were weeks were there wasn't a holiday or anything, and they just didn't air an episode that Wednesday.
I could be wrong, but I think they've only ever reached 10 episodes each year since 2016.

And this year I call bullshit.
>But muh corona.
It's animation, its half-assed, drag-and-drop "computer" animation. They all could have done their work at home. We've seen behind the scenes, everyone pretty much knows what to do without supervision.
Trey writes the script in one day, usually 4 days to air.
Matt and Trey do all the voices.

I think they just wanted a vacation this year, and didn't want to fuck up on the election episode again.

They work "hard" but are incredibly lazy at the same time.
They make 10-12 episodes a year, and do it in 12-14 weeks, and do nothing the rest of the year, other than take a group vacation somewhere as a "retreat". Granted those 12-14 weeks are 10-14 hour days, but still, they only work 3 months out of the year.

It's also hilarious when they acknowledged that serialization was a bad idea, then they pull the tegridy farms shit

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4th grade

After Chef died, or a little before that

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The serialization.

Season 19

After the Guitar Hero Episode.

when they started copying family guy instead of making fun of it

Coming here to say this

Chef was legitimately the first time a hot take mixed with their quick turnaround time resulted in a change they couldn't take back

See President Garrison

>4th grade
This is correct. The first 4 seasons are classic.You can still feel the heart.
From seasons 5-15 are a bit rocky as they keep trying to reinvent themselves.
After season 15, the decline accelerated and it rapidly slid into unwatchable garbage.

>The quality of South Park is inversely proportional to how much they focus on Randy
This. Less Randy the better.

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>INB4 Cartman ends up killing off Randy by accident

>At what point did South Park start to go downhill?
I think episode 200/201? The one that only air once and consisted of mostly censors because Muslims were pissed off South Park was making fun of Muhammad.