Don't you hate it when anti-heroes and sympathetic morally grey villains suddenly become edgelord unambiguously evil...

Don't you hate it when anti-heroes and sympathetic morally grey villains suddenly become edgelord unambiguously evil murderers who like to murder?

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Yes, but at least Tony hasn't got it as bad as Carol.

I think it'd be much worse if we pretended Tony wasn't balls deep in the military industrial complex.

No

Didn't Tony cut ties with the MIC decades ago?

The good old days when Stark Industries was manufacturing both the landmines and the leg prosthetics.

I think there was another story that had Cardiac vivisecting rich people or something.

Thank you for reminding me how much I hate what Marvel did to Helmut Zemo. Over the course of Thunderbolts, he strayed away from being evil, even once giving back Steve's things that he destroyed decades ago. Even when he first started turning back, it was mostly "How does the Winter Soldier, who's got even more corpses to his name than me, get to become CAPTAIN AMERICA without a problem, but I had to go through hell for MY redemption?!"
But then he fell in with Hydra, and things haven't been the same for him.

I don't remember a single MCU villain that didn't give up their morality to go full sociopath.

The most blatant examples are Killmonger straight up saying that all he want is to watch the world burn Joker style and Thanos giving up saving the universe because he's losing.

Killmonger is telegraphed from his first scene to at best be a complete hypocrite and the film repeatedly points out that he's lacking in any sort of morality or sense of responsibility. Thanos isn't even given that much. He's just some genocidal madman using a Malthusian excuse; everything he does is rooted in his psychopathic ego.

Vivisecting rich people who make money off of people's suffering and denying coverage is consistent with Cardiac's ideology. Killing doctors because they dare get paid by Tony Stark isn't.

Remember when it was revealed that the Wrecker once murdered a bus full of kindergartners to "prove a point"?

indeed, first thing I thought of

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>Killmonger is telegraphed from his first scene to at best be a complete hypocrite and the film repeatedly points out that he's lacking in any sort of morality or sense of responsibility.
Irresponsible =/= literally turning into Joker and trying to murder everyone because society is bad
>everything he does is rooted in his psychopathic ego.
Was still shown as caring for the universe and feeling sorry for what he did until the last minute, after that his entire character is changed to 100% sociopath rather than the well intentioned madman he was in the previous movie

Ah yes, what Morrison did to Jason Todd, Magneto, and Talia.

It's funny that the writer is trying to be woke but makes Cardiac a nutcase and downplays Tony's experience as a recovering addict who used to be homeless.

Magneto has always been a genocidal terrorist if he had his way he would have nuked the while world to smithereens

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Not exactly villainous, but I know what you mean.

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And what Jason Aaron does to every single villain he writes. Seriously, Aaron seems incapable of writing a villain that isn't a psycho with a murderboner.

Red Crow from Scalped was pretty good and interesting.

The Wrecking Crew are Thor-Strong Level mercenaries.

Surely the writer could have asked around for more suitable villains to pin this on?

Fallen Sun was shit for many reasons. Remember how Sentry and Rogue fucked because he understood her better than anyone else?

The retcon improved her. Fight me

This was so fucking retarded because she spent three games in the old timeline turned back from evil. The new writers at NRS are awful.

Did Thunderball come back to his villainous side after his quasi-redemption in Black Panther?

The fact that you're one of those idiots who simp for murderers is not related to the topic at hand

You a shit and I hope you catch the rona

This is what you get for reading the Big Two.
Good writers have their stories ripped to shred by incompetent writers.
Stick with creator-owned titles, you'll be happier.

I'm still maintaining that the whole issue was a giant shitpost from Jenkins in revenge for Bendis ruining his creation, Sentry.

Fuck Slott - still mad.

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You think that's sad? My boy Sandman had a full redemption arc, became an Avenger, then got brainwashed into being evil again. Literally brainwashed by another villain.