This was good and didn't deserve to fail.
It lines up better with DC's attempts at Young Graphic Novels, Black Label and Digital First series - and that is the future of comics.
The hits outweigh the misses
The only reason it didn't work was because it tried to launch in a calcified & declining direct market model.
commence shrieking about didio, old impenetrable continuity and black women.
i forgot Zig Forums doesn't read comics and just LARPs about DC industry gossip based and seethes about diversity
WRONG
it failed simply because all the costume redesigns and artist switches for the main characters sucked. Remember hobo Hal?Brett Booth red logo Barry for synergy immmediately after the TV show changed it to fit the comics? Wonder Woman with pants and spikes?
>muh costume designs
this seems like the criticism of someone who didn't actually read it and just reacted to previews of art
All these books were good
I’m a coomer and loved the costume
Hal also was dope
Nah, most of it was pretty shit.
define "most"
I agree.
I loved it as well as Rebirth for completely different reasons, but DCYou was fantastic, and was some of the most creatively exciting content I've seen come from DC over the couple decades I've paid attention to it's active publishing
I read most of it actually.
Prez
Martian Manhunter
Bat-Mite
Bizarro
Starfire
Cyborg
Those were fine. But the fact that they did nothing to boost the main line was what made it such a failure compared to Marvel Now or All-New or whatever they were on.
Did you not enjoy Gotham by Midnight? It was one of my favorites.
Greg Pak's Action Comics & Batman/Superman
Midnighter
Batgirl of Burnside is divisive but it was better than the New 52 Batgirl
Black Canary
Robin: Son of Batman
We Are Robin
Gotham Girls
Ben Percy's Green Arrow
Martian Manhunter
But none of those characters even reach up as far as D-list Gotham villains. The likes of Zsasz or Firefly are more intriguing.
DC needs to just accept that they've got Bats and Superman but all their other heroes are bit part players, especially the diversity quota malware.
It's in their villains is where the stories, money, and fans are waiting.
>especially the diversity quota malware
opinion discarded
DCMe?
>Gotham Girls
meant to say Gotham Academy
And Grayson might as well be a DCYou book
It was good and a much better attempt than what Marvel were doing similarly at the time, but it made the same central mistake of not separating itself enough from the stigmatized part of the comics line.
People who have some interest in "getting into" monthly comics have zero interest in anything that is different from the status quo. You might be able to sell them on Superman and Batman by saying these are epic storylines that will be remembered years later or whatever, but that will be especially hard if they're coming out of a movie.
The kind of reader who would be interested in something like Starfire, Gotham Academy, and Batgirl will never buy a physical comic monthly, in a shop, ever. Even digital is a hard prospect with how little you get for your money. Which is why the OGNs have been such a success in comparison.
The stuff like Midnighter, Grayson, We Are Robin, etc. clearly designed to sell in TPB format NEED word of mouth from comics readers and social media to sell, and your typical comics reader is notoriously closed-minded to comics of this type (that is: without long-established characters, with downplayed superhero trappings, with obscure characters with little connection to main continuity, etc). Even their attempts to tie them into the bigger Batman events didn't work.
>tl;dr
They did a much better job than Marvel on the CONTENT side of things, but like them they failed to meaningfully address the core problem of FORMAT.
I will say the relative failure of Batman and Superman probably couldn't have been predicted, I don't think anyone was ready for how the pathetic reaction to ANAD would have reached its peak right at that time so that people were so desperately clinging to the status quo that "earthshaking consequences!!!!" actually HURT the sales of a fucking Batman book. Couple that with the loss of Johns' GL and JL and you have a mainline that was absolutely not ready to support an experimental directive.
More than 50%.
Convergence and DCYou was a one two punch that many people didn't care for. You had an event nobody wanted and then changed everything up and people didn't come back for it. I don't think DCYou was bad but it didn't cater to the core demographic. And then Johns came in and fixed it all up. Then Didio did his usual thing and that's why he's not at DC anymore.
objectively wrong
>cater to the core demographic
an albatross at this point
>then Johns came in and fixed it all up
Johns' Rebirth destroyed their trade sales. Rebirth was not the same trade seller as the New 52 AND it killed the sales of New 52 trades.
>muh trades
Trades didn't do DCYou any favors. There's more to it than just making money on comics that came out months ago. The priority is always selling floppies and Rebirth brought that back.
>The priority is always selling floppies
And how is that working for the Big 2 compared to Dav Pilkey's Dog Man?
Scholastic and YA graphic novels beat out comics and manga and have done so for several years. It's the most successful comic print in the US. Why do you think DC has been doing their own YA books?
Nah, he's right. Wednesday warriors are petty manchildren.
>The priority is always selling floppies
And that's wrong. It's why comics will always be shit.
so you agree with me?
Brilliant rebuttal. Now try telling me what the #1 reason a comic is cancelled is.
>finch wonder woman
>good
If you want to disregard comics initially sold as floppies and focus on graphic novels primarily sold as a paperback or hardcover.
spot on.
Rebirth did two things AND ONLY TWO THINGS right
-Restore Superman's family
-Restore Wally West
Those steps could have been taken while still maintaining DCYou
Man, I really miss Orlando's Midnighter.
so the future of the artform?
martian manhunter, midgnighter, cyborg, bizarro and black canary were great miniseries.