future of africa thread. Reserved for that guy from congo with uk flag.
How will countries in more underdeveloped areas manage to ever escape their status when capitalist countries in the northern hemisphere are simpily far more developed? Why would anybody buy african products for example when there's far more cheaper and better quality goods from china? This is why countries who are late to competition are forever doomed to play largely of a market for the more advanced countries while selling raw material in far cheaper prices compared to prices which advanced economie sell their industrial products. Or maybe selling labor-power to the most advanced nations too.
How will countries in more underdeveloped areas manage to ever escape their status when countries in the northern hemisphere are simpily far more developed? Why would anybody buy african products for example when there's far more cheaper and better quality goods from china? This is why countries who are late to competition are forever "doomed" in the conditions they are in right now.
They could only play role of a market for more advanced countries, while selling raw material in far cheaper prices compared to prices which advanced economie sell their industrial products to more "underdeveloped" countries. And also selling labor-power to the most advanced nations too.
Cameron Morris
>How will countries in more underdeveloped areas manage to ever escape their status when capitalist countries in the northern hemisphere are simpily far more developed? Becoming more economically free and more stable, it's a good way to get more investment from forigen buinsneses Also egypt is an interesting case, whilst it has a high hdi and is north african, 70% of people make less than $5.50 a day This is a big contrast to her neigbours moroco, algeria and tunisia. In contrast Ghana has a lower rate of people making $5.50 a day (56.9%) >Why would anybody buy african products for example when there's far more cheaper and better quality goods from china? African's are more willing to buy african focused products, I thing as wages rise in africa more africans will be making products for other africans. Chinese manufacturing is becoming more expensive due to more people getting out of poverty and china is outsourcing its manufacturing to african countries like ethiopia.
William Myers
>This is why countries who are late to competition are forever "doomed" in the conditions they are in right now. I don't think so, africa's wealth is growing exponentially, djibouti trippeled it's gdp per capita since 2000 but it depends on how much wealth is distributed. Djibouti has a lot of poverty. Overall in africa it depends on what sort of social programs are done to lift people from poverty as well as giving them a high quality of living. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_percentage_of_population_living_in_poverty
Luke Reed
> Becoming more economically free and more stable, it's a good way to get more investment from forigen buinsneses Those investments and loans come with a price. HDI is also a complete nonsense once you see how it's all quite arbitary. Places with supposidly same hdis have very big differences in living conditions.
But I think you are kinda correct as I was too myopic here. Everything I've said at the main post would have been applicable to 1970s China yet they still managed to industrilize and develop. I've been to deterministic about this issue.
Xavier Martinez
*too deterministic
How far will 2020 corona impact african nations? I don't think they will fare too well from this crisis.
Jace Morris
bump
Dylan Baker
>Those investments and loans come with a price. HDI is also a complete nonsense once you see how it's all quite arbitary. Places with supposidly same hdis have very big differences in living conditions. True, another example would be rwanda, despite it being 'the singapore of africa the country is very poor, poorer than most african countries. 55.5% of the people living there make less than $1.90 And a wopping 91% of rwandan's make less than $5.50 a day. It's no singapore of africa and out of all of the 54 african countries rwanda is only really better than 7 of them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_percentage_of_population_living_in_poverty >How far will 2020 corona impact african nations? I don't think they will fare too well from this crisis. Some state that africa will be set behind 5 or more years years due to the coronavirus. >theguardian.com/global-development/2020/apr/09/coronavirus-could-turn-back-the-clock-30-years-on-global-poverty
I doubt if the new economic climate of cold war and autakary will be favourable for newly developing nations of africa. Corona might be really bad for them on long term along with effects of corona on state policies.
Absolute number of people under real amount of money they need to live has only been increasing for last decades. Even greater if you ignore china.
Luis Sanders
>I doubt if the new economic climate of cold war and autakary will be favourable for newly developing nations of africa. As long as it isn't done with sanctions and is done with roads and infastructure development, africa will probably be fine The USA china cold war isn't like the Iran, saudi one. >Corona might be really bad for them on long term along with effects of corona on state policies. True
Jonathan Jackson
US and China are already engaging in sanctions. US China cold war isn't like that for now, but it will soon slide onto that route.
Carter Foster
>US China cold war isn't like that for now, but it will soon slide onto that route. Hopefully not, the cold war was pretty bad for africa.
Blake White
This one might even be worse. It might even be a hot war.
Nicholas Clark
>This one might even be worse. It might even be a hot war. I dunno, the USA has just made some empty threats to china. The USA has not seriously been trying to get countries on their side Yet
Ayden Ross
polarization is inevitable when two powers exist and one is trying to rise against one's hegemony. We obviously can't say sure for anything, but this might end up in another war.
Jackson James
true, I just hope not
Chase Howard
If it happens what will you do? Run away? What's your occupation?
People call this kind of thinking delusional but I don't really think so any more than preparing for a potential storm after seeing it on the news. Not only that, numerous historical examples somewhat show where we might be heading towards. Things change very fast like how from evolutions to phase changes to general changes in society happen.
Jeremiah White
>If it happens what will you do? Run away? What's your occupation? I'll do nothing, I don't live in africa anyway. I just hope it doesn't go back to whad it was pre independence, with coups and civil wars and unrest in 95% of africa.
Kevin Gutierrez
More developed countries will also be involved in a conflict if it occurs. It also seems like there will be political instability after all of this corona scandal.
Eli Garcia
Subsaharan africa will face overpopulation, which is the biggest problem which will lead to tribal conflict, starvation, collapse, instability etc africa will never have a future the only future it can have is being some sort of plan in a globalsit agenda thats it black people are doomed to go extinct
Jason Martin
>It also seems like there will be political instability after all of this corona scandal. Probably, this corona virus has stopped the world economy and the next few weeks after the corona virus stops, will be a tale of uncertainty and instability from all of this and a more negative view of china across the world stage.
Benjamin Perry
overpopulation in relation to capitalism such as employment, yes. But starvation? World already produces more food than needed even with massive amount of land wasted for cash crops and livestock. There is no objective overpopulation in this world.
I don't know russia and other allies of china still has a positive view of china. It would be more apt to call it a polarization instead of isolation of china
Joseph Brooks
>Subsaharan africa will face overpopulation, which is the biggest problem which will lead to tribal conflict, starvation, collapse, instability etc No, it depends on which country you are talking about, botswana has a lower fertility rate than israel and Djibouti has an extremely low fertility rate. Most of the conflicts in post colonial africa was just multiplied due to the cold war, the Mozambique civil war wouldn't have happened if the west and the communists weren't supplying weapons to opposite sides. You can't really lump subsaharan africa as one blob, there are a lot of different coutnries in africa with differing stablity. >black people are doomed to go extinct Zig Forums tier thinking bud >controlrisks.com/-/media/corporate/files/riskmap/maps/riskmap-map-2020-a1-eng-web.pdf
>I don't know russia and other allies of china still has a positive view of china. I'm talking more about the citizens of african countries. Overall in africa the view of china is frosty at best, and the whole event in china's treatment of africans in china hasn't improved african's thoughts on china.
Hudson Cox
>black people are doomed to go extinct Nah their diaspora is way too large for that
Aiden Butler
Intersting. How about relation between governments? Also where do you get all of these information about africa? From news websites?
true, also pol fantasy of whites being outbred is dumb once you see things in a "dynamic" picture instead of taking a snap of one period and extrapolating that trend. When you realize secularism rising even in middle east and birth rate dramatically decreasing even faster in southern hemisphere, you realize that Zig Forums fantasy is foolish.
Eli Allen
not only that, population and conflict has little correlation anyway
Daniel Torres
As soon as euros accept the fact that the future of europe is in africa the sooner we can get to beating chinese and american asses.
1. Europe needs young workers, africa has an endless supply of them. 2. Europe needs physical resources such as rare earth materials, Africa has them. 3. Europe needs a new market to sell shit to, Africa has nowhere to go but up.
French seem to be the only ones who understand this. Don't let american racism infect your opinions on cross-mediterranean co-operationn. They're mutt lawing it up because they know euros are unstoppable when allied with africans.
Gabriel Anderson
basically colonies but in name. But such is fate of every relatively weaker countries regardless of official declarations of "sovereignty"
Julian Perez
>Intersting. >How about relation between governments? It's from ok to good. Zambia's a wierd one though, their previous president, michael sata HATED the chinese to the point he was about to make zambia recognize tiwan instead of the CCP. Guy Scott stopped him though. >Also where do you get all of these information about africa? From news websites? News websites and twitter In senegal shoppers and average people don't care about the chinese and are just indifferent, but merchants hate them. Anti Chinese sentiment, though small was always a thing in africa so much so that they pretty much made a propaganda depeartment for africans, so they can view china as this first world country in reality 20% of the population in china makes less than $5.50 a day. >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Senegal#:~:text=There is a small but,the country in the 1980s. youtube.com/watch?v=7VnQONVxWdQ
I don't think youtube video's help to be honest. China uncensored does pretty biased reports saying africa will be colonized by china only fueling the negative oppinions some people in africa have with the chinese. The same can be said with serpentza's videos on china in africa, presenting the whole situation as increadiby negative with africa as a whole not getting much from it. Overall, I see china as a country that can be good for africa and will overall help in the long run, but not as a saviour or anything like that, african countries can overall get better deals with the chinese, if they are smart with their cards.
any good twitter accounts on africa's politics and society? Are there any african websites you know of?
Ethan Gutierrez
Also, young people in africa seem to have better views of china then the older generation. In zambia young people view chinese people in a ok way. Overall there doesn't seem to be much discrimination by young africans when talking to chinese people. It truly depends on what china does in order to improve china, africa relations >bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-35001032 >youtube.com/watch?v=OuAqkgu3hjo
it seems like Zig Forums and news websites want to potray sino-afro relations more negative than it really is. It's probably the same reason why so many westerners think russia and china are still not allies but potential enemies. China isn't really that worse for africa than it's previous(and current) ones like France using debt to control african nations
Samuel Davis
>any good twitter accounts on africa's politics and society? Are there any african websites you know of? Here is a good video on china's influence in Namibia. youtu.be/jnblUM1rH4E
