Why do people have so mythical notions about death and consciousness? When you burn a bacteria...

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Lol, because they fear their death and do not wish their miserable lives would just be gone and forgotten

Nietzsche would have a field day with these last men

it is irrelevant whatever opinions of scientists and researchers are about this issue

declaring all viewpoints as "opinions" is denying objectivity of reality, ending up in pointless solipsism. I guess Newtonian physics to all kinds of sciences were all just a personal opinion after all.

Who believes this? I thought the idea was that consciousness or whatever cannot be described with physical terms even though almost everyone, including the people you're trying to criticise, assume it emerges from what the physical terms describe, and die with it. Those signals and phenomena are mere labels too, as are the concepts of signal and phenomena. Reality is not a machine, that perspective comes from arbitrary descriptions, physics, which still sit atop the presuppositions Aristotle set. You shouldn't mistake view and description with reality. Reality cannot be reduced to any comprehension or description arbitrarily formed within a mind.

Mind, that is experience, does not follow from the mechanical description of the brain. So the terms are inadequate. Should also note the terms themselves don't exist as a non-person, objective, but are a subset of mind.

That emergence fits easily within the simplistic mechanical description you're using.

god i miss the late 00s
the 'radical' ideas at that time were just about angst teens suffering from autism

It's because many human beings find themselves so immensely important, that they simply can't accept that there's very likely absolutely nothing after death.

>why do people have so mythical notions about death and consciousness?
The foundation of most religion is that death is scary. Your brain is unable to fully process the idea of it's own non-existence, so it comes up with comforting stories to avoid thinking about it.

>Same goes for consciousness.
Unlike sexual dimorphism, consciousness is a spectrum though. See Boltzmann Brain by the way. Materialistic monism and solipsism are both extreme views unable to describe precisely our environnement. I'm not agnostic but the real, rational camp is indeed the agnostic one. Socrates "i know that I know nothing". Pascal "two qualities for a man : pyrrhonian, AND christian"

the notion of a soul seperate from a physicla body seems disprovable by the fact that injuries to the body, as in brain damage, can alter the 'self' and personality of the individual who suffers them, if soul is your consciousness or personality and mechanical injury to the body alters personality it appears therefore that the two are intrinsically linked. life after death is hocus pocus lol
still a mid 2000s internet atheist in my head

To say that physics and other attempts to describe the world as "arbitrary descriptions" and "presuppositions" is pointless denial of objectivity of reality, ending up in solipsism, making it pointless. I'm sure that the f=ma for example was just conjured up in Newton's head and all kinds of physical calculations were just an arbitrary supposition, with nothing to do with reality but as subjective opinions, bound to nothing. Every time a certain amount of data is classified into laws and formulas, you come to universals and generalizations, and this is not a mere "description arbitrarily formed within a mind".

Abstractions such as f=ma to x+vt+1/2at^2 are first found by measuring position of a moving body multiple times, allowing us to anticipate a fourth position. This does not exist in concrete terms, but Einstein would reject that we had not made great progress which such theories on all fields. Was this all just a joke and a subjective opinion, an abstraction in head without anything to do with reality? Your statement inevitably leads towards denial of reality and solipsism, a dead end.

Noobody is saying shit about afterlife. Consciousness is about defining what makes you, well, you.

Being dead doesnt mean all of you is lost if you left something behind, like kids, a novel, art, do something that changes your society etc

Nietzsche also believed in God.

this is far more older than 2000s
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activities in the human mind, abstractly coupled up into term "consciousness" is much of a spectrum as labeling workings of a computer chip as "calculation". If it is completely broken, it no longer functions.

You are really fucking stupid and ignorant. Ever heard of Memento Mori or literally anything about any religion? I'm irreligious btw.

You don't know what soul means lol. Your argument is to vaguely redefine soul, vaguely so that you can backpedal if someone approaches the details.

you just made an view and description about reality, and it is just an arbitrary description, making it as much as valid as any other description and opinions. You saw a phenomena, and came out with a general logic and a conclusion from it. But as "reality cannot be reduced to any comprehension arbitrarily formed within a mind", I guess it doesn't matter and science is impossible. Natural conclusion of your logic.

i just took this from wikipedia, but like

The soul, in many religious, philosophical, and mythological traditions, is the incorporeal essence of a living being.[1] Soul or psyche (Ancient Greek: ψυχή psykhḗ, of ψύχειν psýkhein, "to breathe") comprises the mental abilities of a living being: reason, character, feeling, consciousness, memory, perception, thinking, etc. Depending on the philosophical system, a soul can either be mortal or immortal.[2]

sounds like what i've outlined above

what do you mean? soul is the self, self can be altered by injury to the physical being, soul/physical being are intrinsically linked rather than seperate as christian theology would suggest

It started from incomprehension of reality, like how people used to worship natural gods from the start. In modern times, religion has largely been replaced by other ideologies, such as philosophy. Feuerbach uncovered how philosophy now became a religion of our epoch.

I think you quoted the wrong person, and your argument makes sense as much as argument that "force of life" being in bacteria and that they are unprovable as they are linked with physical form of the bacteria. How about start claiming machines have soul? You can't disprove it as it's somehow linked with machine's physical form and so on.

Once you die you lose your consciousness. The only way for there to be life after death is when your whole body is remade and this concept is mentioned in the bible as "the resurrection". Whether or not this will happen- no one knows until it actually does and that's why your statement will remain as an opinion.

kids, a novel, art, and changes to society will also inevitably die and be forgotten, much like you and me. These things are not immortal in the slightest, they simply persist for a slightly longer time than us.

>it no longer functions.
For human standards indeed. Organic consciousness is different from computing programmation until we engineer a flawed enough machine simili working like our central neuronal system. As designed today, computers have nothing to do with our brain and a rupture in emergence of cognition isn't even forseeable. Cut a half of a chipset it won't work, cut a brain in half and it will semi work.

You lose your consciousness in the same way computer board does not compute after you destroy ways where electrons flow
It's not a description of some tangible entity

do you think cars have an afterlife? Will you model your life around that idea if I wrote something about it and got popular? No one knows if they will either.

Why are you using a proxy, finnol

sorry man im not sure i understand what you mean. but i guess what i am trying to say is
1) the christian idea of soul supposes the soul seperate from the body and responsible for things like someones personality, the ability to reason, the 'mind' etc
2) christians suppose this soul is immortal and seperate from the body and immortal
however
a person can suffer a brain injury and have marked change in personality or ability to reason or whatever, this would usggest that the attributes attributed by christians to the immortal sou; (reason, perception, self etc) are entirely linked with the physical body

It is same in the way which I compared it, running on electrons and chemicals across neurons. This has been uncovered, and we had already seen some more practical proofs from mice experiments. Cutting a chipset is like cutting off all neurons. Smashing a computer is a better description, and my computer is still somewhat running after severe physical destruction. They are same on the fact that both of them are based on the material world.

they will all be gone one day too.