Alright guys let's settle it once and for all. Is Catalan an actually a language and not a dialect...

It's a language and no one disputes that. This guy is correct You could definitely make the argument that Catalan and Occitan are the same language, and many hold this belief. However Catalan is without a doubt distinct from Spanish (Castillian). Yet today there is a large number immigrants from the rest of Spain. They often can't speak proper Catalan (many Catalan cities are now largely Spanish speaking) and of course are very strongly opposed to more Catalan self rule or even independence.

And you're forgetting Catalan and Spanish are highly related in many ways

Yeah catalan is strange. It's closer to French than Spanish, and when i see a text in catalan it looks nothing like spanish but when ive heard it spoken it sounds very much like spanish. Occitan sounds nothing like spanish though and its the closest larger relative to catalan. Hard to wrap my head around this language

There is only one OG language in the Iberian peninsula

youtube.com/watch?v=suK34prc56o

Spanish and Catalan have a lexical similarity of 85%. Spanish is also partially mutually intelligible with Italian, Sardinian and French, with respective lexical similarities of 82%, 76% and 75%. So give these mutually intelligible languages a second look. They have more in common than you might think!

The closest language to Catalan is Spanish and so forth with Spanish

I dont understand him, sounds like french to me.

SPANISH IS AN IBERO-ROMANCE LANGUAGE, LIKE GALICIAN OR ASTUR-LEONESE. CATALAN IS PART OF THE GALLO-ROMANCE BRANCH, VERY SIMILAR TO OCCITAN AND NORTHERN ITALIAN TONGUES. SPANISH BOASTS OVER 100,000 ARABIC LOANWORDS, CATALAN HAS MUCH LESS.

Spanish and Portuguese have a lexical similarity of 89%, Catalan is definitely a separate language

>And you're forgetting Catalan and Spanish are highly related in many ways
No I'm not. Did I say so anywhere? Danish and German are also higly related in many ways. But it is fully uncontroversial to group Catalan as a language distinct from Castillian, and the same goes for Danish and German as well.

I understand it better than an average Spaniard, but less than a Galician

Alright be like that man

Language branches are a meme, Catalan has much more in common with Spanish than with occitan

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Galego is best Iberian language

youtube.com/watch?v=rU0u4FBYzrs

Catalan sounds nothing like Castilian. If some speakers do it's because they use a Castilian accent to speak in Catalan.

As others said it may be considered a dialect of Occitan, till a few centuries ago Catalan was just called Provençal

GALICIAN AND PORTUGUESE ARE THE VERY SAME LANGUAGE. THE DISTINCTION IS BUT POLITICAL, AND THE FEW DIFFERENCES BETWEEN "BOTH LANGUAGES" CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO PORTUGAL BECOMING ITS OWN STATE 900 YEARS AGO.

>GALICIAN AND PORTUGUESE ARE THE VERY SAME LANGUAGE. THE DISTINCTION IS BUT POLITICAL, AND THE FEW DIFFERENCES BETWEEN "BOTH LANGUAGES" CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO PORTUGAL BECOMING ITS OWN STATE 900 YEARS AGO.
Ibero romance used to be a single language too, what's your point mang?

>The closest language to Catalan is Spanish and so forth with Spanish
"No."

The closest language to Catalan would be south Occitan. The closest language to Spanish would be Asturleonese and Aragonese

Catalan has a higher lexical similarity with Italian than with Castilian.

Thanks for the serious answers

> Catalan sounds nothing like Castilian. If some speakers do it's because they use a Castilian accent to speak in Catalan.

>As others said it may be considered a dialect of Occitan, till a few centuries ago Catalan was just called Provençal

Catalan and Spanish are both part of same language.

Galego>AsturLeones>Portugues>Catalan>Basque>Spanish

there's some more meme languages in spain probably, but I can't keep up with all of them

>124948781
>Catalan and Spanish are both part of same language.
Stop baiting and just shart in mart, retardo.

According to Ethnologue, the lexical similarity between Catalan and other Romance languages is: 87% with Italian; 85% with Portuguese and Spanish;

(You)

No, valencian and catalonian are the same language but divided due to political reasons.
Galician is very cucked by castillian unlike portuguese.

Doesn't matter since most catalan speakers are descendants of charnegos and speak it like shit

YOU LOT SPEAK THE "MEMEST" LANGUAGE IN THE PENINSULA. THE EXISTENCE OF PORTUGAL ITSELF IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST BLOTS IN SPAIN'S RECORD.

>No, valencian and catalonian are the same language but divided due to political reasons.
Galician is very cucked by castillian unlike portuguese.

Galician and castillian used to be the same language, it's the same language
Catalan is the same language as Spanish.

Does anyone speak pure Catalan and if so who and where?

Andorra

yes, people from lerida and gerona, especially the rural retards living there

probably in rural Catalunya, around Lleida (excluding the city)

following on my other post, if you consider valencian and balearic as just catalonian (they are) then also rural retards in those areas too

In Tarragona, between the two Catalans of Catalonia it is pointed to be the 'neutral'

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LANGUAGE IS CLOSELY RELATED TO ETHNICITY, AT LEAST IN CATALONIA. THE PROVINCES OF BARCELONA AND TARRAGONA HAVE BEEN LITERALLY INVADED BY NON-CATALANS OVER THE LAST 100 YEARS. IF YOU WANT TO HEAR PROPER CATALAN, YOU'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTRYSIDE OF THE OTHER TWO PROVINCES: GERONA AND LERIDA.

What language did catalonia speak before charlemene helped create the Spanish March?

>Sounds identical
Because you don't understand what you are hearing you absolutely kek.

For me, Russian, Polish, Bulgarian and Ukrainian also sound the same, because i don't understand what they are saying.

If you actually learn Spanish and try to listen to a full sentence in Catalan, you will only pick up a couple of words.

Que merdas dixeches de min, setesaias do carallo? Fághoche saber que son dos millores movemarcos da Barbanza, teño 'tado en multitude de malleiras a ghitanos portugheses e posúo 300 baixas confirmadas na parcelaria.
Fun ensinado na capoeira do pais e son o millor seixador de galiñas da costa da morte tudinha. Pra min tí non es nada mais ca outra fodida lesma das patacas. Vouche desgrazar cunha precision coa cal lle paso á herba co fousiño, marca as miñas verbas.
Que carallo pensas, q´as dicires merdas polo internete así de balde? Pensa de volta paspán, mentres falamos 'tou a falar co meu curmão e imos ir foderche o puto ghato, preparate pra verlle o cú aberto, miñoca dos collóns.
Tas morto neno, tas morto.

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See Catalan is the official language of Andorra. They have Spanish immigrants too, but those immigrants don't feel entitled to not learn the local language.

Ironically, the only place where proper Occitan is widely spoken is in Catalonia, where a valley is still Occitan speaking. All other Occitan areas are now French speaking, or in some cases Italian speaking.

A SLOWLY EVOLVING VULGAR LATIN

m.youtube.com/watch?v=epSQNYVABtg

Can catalans understand occitan?

very informative thx
very passionate and informative
I think it might have been because I read a single sample of a Catalan sentence which coincidentally was lexically identical to Spanish, my assumption was wrong

you mean val d'aran?

youtube.com/watch?v=boFQzRB3OuQ&t=38s

Not really, I'm Catalan and I just catch 40% of what she's saying. Sounds French with some pronunciations in Castilian

Lmaoooo

Si lo falo gallaico

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It is basically Catalan with French influence.

Yes. Some Catalan in the comment section says "95% similar to Catalan" and I believe that sums it up pretty nicely.

Her pronunciation is obviously very Frenchified, it would be probably much easier to understand if she enunciated all the consonants.

catalan is a dialect of the occitano-romance family (the "languages of oc"), itself part of the gallo-romance family
it obviously shares a lot with castilian (spanish), but spanish is part of the ibero-romance language family

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