Is the human nature good or evil? Are we inherently good or bad?

Is the human nature good or evil? Are we inherently good or bad?

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history has been nothing but endless change in human nature, and very natural history shows endless change in the natural world itself

After looking what goes around my country everything inside me says human is inherently evil on way or the other.

and I can show you the opposite example. So what?

at our core we are self serving, it's not really good or bad
we tend to have good instilled in us and we generally son't do acts of great evil because we wish to participate in 'society' which doesn't allow evil acts.

>and I can show you the opposite example.
I doubt it.

good or evil are invented to describe humans not the other way around

Nature got no good or evil pole, because it's a long-term absolute essence. Action got good or evil results, because it's a short-term characteristic essence. Very nature of human can not be named good or evil, but one mere person's life can be valued good or evil.

Human nature is that of a hunter-gatherer.
Good and Evil are concepts that were developed to keep a civilization running. Since humans are not meant to live in large societies by evolution, human nature is beyond good and evil

Some are evil some are good most are grey.

We’re designed to ensure the survival of our DNA at all costs. Everything good and evil we do derives from that or the emotions we developed as a side effect of that

I can show you example of people acting cooperative too. I don't really have to even tell you
the very fact that civilization exists and were formed by humans disproves this.

For the longest time, humans lived as hunter gatherers.
The fact that civilization was formed a few times under extraordinary conditions doesn't mean that forming civilization is an inherent part of human nature

We are good because we have potential to be good. If you don't live up to it, then you are bad.

>We are good because we have potential to be good. If you don't live up to it, then you are bad.
Each person is either good, evil or a mixture
Exact definitions for good and evil can be murky but generally you know if someone is evil or virteous.

on what metric?
why are both forms of human action not both expressions of humanity? If human nature contradicts civilization, it would not have arised by definition of human nature and natural laws.

lol there's ethnic group who still can't find human nature is evil

There is no good or evil habibi

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why are both forms of human action not both expressions of humanity? If human nature contradicts civilization, it would not have arised by definition of human nature and natural laws.
Human nature is not homogenous.

everything humans do is expression of "human nature". It is not abstract.

>I can show you example of people acting cooperative too
Yes, some examples here and there, I see a society where corruption and fucking over people is ingrained in every single level of society.
Raw humans, what you get when you have no education and a state that doesn't care to enforce shit except when is about squeezing money out.

Humans were optimized by evolution to live successful as small family clans.
Because civilizations consisting of millions of individuals goes against human nature, we needed to invent concepts like good and evil, religion, humanism and nationalism.

There is no such thing as nature that all people share and have the same.

>good or evil
Neither. We are just human. Those terms are just imaginary and what is considered good/evil changes constantly.

What is the good thing of this small family clan that you Invision as opposed to larger tribal states formed through more economical output?

Nature properly is everything that IS. Human nature is equivalent to all of human action.
There is no supernatural nor something do essences exist

>Neither. We are just human. Those terms are just imaginary and what is considered good/evil changes constantly
actions don't change how you are, and each person has a different nature.

The humans with "good nature" went extinct loooooooookng ago, we the evil spawn now.

You are basically saying people act "evil" in your particular form of society. So what? People act differently based on kind of society they live in.
true
humans can be optimized for many things. They are flexible. Not only that, your description of family clans is a new thing that began with agriculture. Our newest research shows that majority of hunter-gatherers in a single group are not even related. That is more of an agriculturist thing

> 32 present-day foraging societies (total n = 5067 individuals, mean experienced band size = 28.2 adults). We found that hunter-gatherers display a unique social structure where (i) either sex may disperse or remain in their natal group, (ii) adult brothers and sisters often co-reside, and (iii) most individuals in residential groups are genetically unrelated.

> Because civilizations consisting of millions of individuals goes against human nature, we needed to invent concepts like good and evil, religion, humanism and nationalism.
Something against human nature created by humans. Sounds absurd. Noone invented those concepts consciously either.

Good nature people can do evil if it's to a greater good but that doesn't change their innate nature.

Civilization is obviously much more economically productive and thus much more powerful than hunter gatherer society.
That's why civilizations came to dominate the world, even if they go against human nature

And why is hunter gatherer society good?
Or small family clans?