Do you have student debt?

don't worry the day you will pay taxes they will knock at your door

I too have an engineering degree w/ debt and got laid off cuz of 'rona.

is being a economist worth it?

no you'd better be an entertainer or a farmer

Reason?

No lol i doubt that refugees here can even enter uni
It's relatively common that people get paid to attend uni

>I went to college and got an engineering degree I couldnt get a job
In the same boat

I studied economics at a top school and I say no. You know you need a PhD for it too, right?

yeah but I thought it was worth it lol

I went to college on poverty grants and never completed a single credit. Amazon will pay for me to do an associates degree or certificate but it all looks pretty drab to me.
I don't want to be a loser but I don't want to fuck myself over either. I'm not really unhappy being poor. I have plenty enough money for what I need already.

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machines are already better economists and take the decisions even at high level, jobs are more and more automatised while populations are growing dramatically, a big part will end up jobless with government wages, you need to feed and entertain them. even marketers are more paid nowdays than the pople actually producing.

I mean, financially, it’s worth it if you get into a good PhD program but economics is one of the worst undergraduate majors you can study for getting into a good PhD program. By any other metric, it’s not worth it. In fact, it’s probably one of the worst majors you can choose period in my completely honest opinion.

$50k

So you just wasted your time and daddy’s money for a worthless major instead? You sure you’re even smart enough for engineering?

Brother, you should really get on that. It doesn’t just go away.

>USA
I got a bunch of scholarships but am still in debt by 30k.

Thankfully I make 78k a year so I'll pay it back pretty fast.

Its not about worthless or worthful, any major can be worthful, its about immediate return.
STEM gives you immediate return. Now 10 years down the line the picture is much more muddled with people excelling in fields that have nothing to do with their major, but if I took out loans I would expect immediate return.

>It doesn’t just go away.

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Studied in germany. Parents paid at the time for the cost of living, university cost like 200 bucks a semester which isn't expensive.
Ended without debt (duh), but as I'm staying at my parents place again I'm helping to foot the bills as my father can't really work anymore due to injury.

>STEM gives you immediate return
Fuck you it didn't

Yeah, I have around 75k(?) in immediate debt and I'm getting a post-bacc which will put me at 100k. I don't care about debt because if all goes right I can get a job that will enable me to pay it in a year. If i fail ultimately I can leave the country. I will either pay my debt in bulk or I won't pay it at all, I won't let it crush me.

>STEM gives you immediate return.
When and where did you fucking graduate?

I became a locksmith
>free test just study books lmao
>make 50,000$ right from the start
life's good

>STEM gives you immediate return.
Haha...
well I guess under ten years can be considered immediate on a long enough timeframe

Sounds based, but what are the hours?

>STEM gives you immediate return.
If only.

I didn't do STEM, but from my understanding the advantage of all that extra work you put in is that right out of college you can easily get a job paying 60-80k while the rest of us have to struggle to find our first job.

>I didn't do STEM
That explains it.

I payed for CNC machinist classes out of my own pocket, so no.

STEM, actually Engineering specifically, can give you much better return but it’s not immediate at all. Others are basically worthless. That whole muddied water thing doesn’t apply to us anymore.

You can. That doesn’t mean you will. Even if you do, it’s not like you’re paying off your loans on a $60k salary in a major US city.

Whats the point of doing STEM than?
Like anyone with any degree can get a marketing or sales job with not too much difficulty without having to do a hard major in college

STEM careers really ain't instant return

Natural sciences (chem, bio, phys, geo, etc) require graduate education, medical school, etc. Math requires advanced degrees usually. Dunno about engineering. I guess some tech jobs can land you instant return, yeah, but CS is easy and not really comparable to actual hard sciences of STEM.

>8 hours
>5 days a week sometimes six it depends honestly
>they pay great because no one wants be a locksmith only a gay stem scientist
>join we need people

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Nope, when I graduated out of high school, I went to a community college to transfer to a 4 year college (cut down 2 years of school debt there) and worked while going to school/didn't pay rent while living with my parents.
After I transfer, I used the money I saved up to finish the last two years with only 3k debt that only took me less than a year to pay after I got a job.

Yeah but what times of the day?
Like aren't lock smiths the people who save retards who lock themselves out at midnight?

Marketing jobs typically require a relevant degree and neither marketing nor sales typically pay all that well for a college graduate. Engineering still gets you better jobs and a better return overall.

test is a six month apprenticeship with test at end of the six months

>Dunno about engineering.
Same deal , big tech just like to spread the meme that it is lucrative.

>Marketing jobs typically require a relevant degree
Eh not really true
>neither marketing nor sales typically pay all that well for a college graduate
But plenty of opportunities for advancement

>Whats the point of doing STEM than?
There isnt

i work for multiple school district so i change locks for them and not retards who lock them selfies out

>he fell for the uni meme
lmao just get a trade

STEM is a meme in general unless you REALLY have passion for the field. Like someone else said we would've been better off in sales or CS for making money.