Why? You look at where it sits geographically speaking in close proximity to China, South Korea, and Japan, why isn't it a major metropolis and an economic powerhouse for Russia?
And when I say major metropolis, I'm speaking in comparison to cities like Seoul Beijing, Tokyo, etc. Why isn't it the Moscow of the east?
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I think it's one of the most rapidly developing cities in Russia
that's like being the lightest skinned man in Congo
Yeah? I did some research on growth and didn't really see it as a rapidly growing city, but obviously I could be wrong.
2020 estimates say 610,000 population. Why isn't it 5 million or 10 million? Like I said, considering the geographic location, I guess I don't get why it hasn't exploded...
Population 10 million cities suck.
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Still I would expect it to be over a million.
Some of the pictures from there lead me to believe they have a higher quality of life than a lot of Russia. I also remember a few things from long ago. Salmon and fish roe I think are parts of the economy. A mayor was botching about the soil around the city saying it was contaminated (keep in mind I probably read it in the 2000s) but I gathered it was something naturally in the soil not some industrial byproduct.
It's pretty high living standards due to chink and gook money and funnelling funds for Best Korea
I would like to live there unironically
It's still a shithole as everything else here, but at least there's SOVL
Harsh climate, freezing port, bad geography
it's really cold and miserable there
there's a reason China doesn't complain much about Russia stealing outer Manchuria in the 19th century
Considering it's only at 43N, it's really pretty cold and winters are especially brutal.
If Korea reunite, Vladivostok might be the gate to the Europe for Korea.
It could be the economical hub city
>freezing port
Really? Shit, it makes sense it didn't become important before.
As Northern sea route will be getting more popular it may also boost Vladivostok's importance, although ckimate change should first reach point when Vladivostok's port won't freeze in winter
The only non-freezing ports in Russia are Murmansk, St.Petersburg, Novorossiysk and Sevastopol (in Crimea), that's why we fought for Port-Arthur in 1900's with Japanese
we probably should've officially allied with russia during the russo-japanese war.
allowing japan to control manchuria was a mistake.
It's too far from Western Russia and the closest border is North Korea
really cold
no farmland, only coal mines
no shipping for half the year
its still quite a large and wealthy city though
Because there is a great evil called Moscovy, that artificially suppresses development in all regions of Russia. It began in ancient times, when the socially and economically developed Novgorod principality finally lost to Moscow in the struggle for influence.
Didn't know about the ports freezing for half the year. Makes sense though.
Thanks everyone...this has actually been quite enlightening. I've always wondered and always wanted to ask. Now I know. The power of Zig Forums. Wow.
based and pro-Imperial Russia and anti-CCPilled
Explain?
Sounds interesting. Why would they artificially suppress other regions?
they don't. but moscows budget is unproportionally big. probably has a lot to do with that everyone rich and powerful in russia lives there. it's the city with the 3rd most billionares in the world (after NY and HK).
>freezing port
>After the TЭЦ-2 (Thermal Power Plant - 2) was built in 1984, the port in Vladivostok (Zolotoy Rog Bay) is ice-free for almost the whole year. Before that, ice breakers helped making it ice-free.
I remember I've asked the same question and I think the main reason is that Russia is simply sparsely populated in the east so Vladivostok can't absorb population from the area around it. Also, Russia is a centralized country and everything of major importance happens in Moscow, Russians even complained that a letter sent from Vladivostok to Khabarovsk can go through Moscow. Not to mention Russia was a closed country for most of its modern history and even now it's not fully embedded in the global economic system, it has non-transparent and protectionist investment and trading rules and on the other hand salaries are not very low there so it's not an attractive destination for foreign investors.
I heard Vladivostok thrives as a place where old Japanese right-hand-drive cars are shipped to, repaired and sold in the local market so most of people in the Russian Far East drive cars with the wheel on the right side.
Do you see that pretty "high" GDP of Moscow? It's based on the other regions' sales and products.
Moscow itself has like 2 or 3 IT companies like Yandex and that's it, they do not produce anything than mutts.
Since Russia is a turbo centralized and corrupted country EVERY big company tries to make their way to Moscow in order to be able to pay bribes easier and get criminal connections.
That forces company CEOs to relocate their HQs to Moscow and that creates a system where everything that company produces (let's say gas from some sibirian region) it accounts in favour of Moscow
In short. Moscow does not produces anything. Everything the regions do (food, gas, oil, etc) accounts for Moscow since their HQs are in Moscow because it becomes easier to not get fucked in the ass by corrupted politicians and the police
>If Korea reunite, Vladivostok might be the gate to the Europe for Korea.
I don't think it makes sense, shipping through China and Kazakhstan would be much faster than through Vladivostok (on train), also maritime transport is still the most efficient for cargo.
He might mean northern sea route which will become more attractive in the future.
It's quite funny how Russia is so centralized despite being a federation.
Yet another Russian oxymoron just like "Dictatorship of the proletariat"
Also. The taxation system in Russia is a fucked up mess.
Everything goes right to Moscow and then the bald uh oh himself decides if a certain region deserves to get a pay back. Nothing of what you pay in taxes stays in the region you live in.
But if he means it then why would Vladivostok be important? You don't need to ship your goods to Vladivostok from Korea if you want to use the North Sea route.
I heard Kazan and Tyumen are pretty well off and nicely maintained.
It doesn't have to be important but it could be. Things shipped from Asia to Europe would pass by.
They are kinda nice, yeah. But there are more than 2 cities in Russia you know
Just imagine living in a region that produces diamonds, oil, gas and other shiny thingies but the government returns you only 5% of what your region has paid in taxes.
Btw, it's quite fascinating that Russia has so many huge cities (about or over 1 million people) no one ever hears about.
Like Samara for example. What do people ever do there, where do they work, how can
this city secure a decent life for over 1,1 million people?
Maybe they see it as too vulnerable and far away to spend lots of time and resources developing into a mega city.
>Just imagine living in a region that produces diamonds, oil, gas and other shiny thingies but the government returns you only 5% of what your region has paid in taxes.
On the other hand it would be unfair if these regions got all the money only because they happened to be built around a diamond mine, especially that the companies extracting these resources belong to the state and not to these regions. I think it's normal in all countries in the world that regions with natural resources share their wealth with poorer regions.
Uh... stores, restaurants, factories?
about novgorod
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modern situation:
Centralization of the budget in Russia. Accordingly, all taxes that are collected in my area go to Moscow, then Moscow allocates funds to the region as a subsidy.
46 billion taxes collected from my region last year. But it does not have increasing subsidy rate coefficiates like Chechnya, Dagestan or the northern regions (that is, it has a coefficient equal to 1).so back we received 3 billion subsidies.
About the fact that Muscovites are buying (already bought up) large local factories, farms, agricultural enterprises and suppressing local competitors with cheap production, I will not even speak.
>Just imagine living in a region that produces diamonds, oil, gas and other shiny thingies but the government returns you only 5% of what your region has paid in taxes.
this is how it is in most countries. but i agree, the siberian cities where they produce a lot of natural resources looks like shitty places to live even though they make a lot of money for the rest of the country.
I don't think it would be really necessary.
Also, there are so many Japanese Sea ports, Vladivostok would have to compete with all Japanese and Korean ports, it would be hard to win it.
The problem is they do not share their wealth with poor regions, they do this with Moscow.
Moscow is the only city in Russia that allows itself to change sidewalk tiles for $250 million every year.
Probably, but I've never heard of anything like that. I mean in Europe a city with population over 1 million is a great tourist, educational, service and industrial hub everyone knows and can associate with something this city is famous for. Meanwhile equally big cities from Russia (the same applies to Turkey) are usually no-names for Europeans.
What about Kaliningrad
>ulica Kommunisticheskaya
>ulica Karola Marksa
>ulica Rabochaya
>ulica Leninskaja
wtf when will Russia carry out decommunization?
Why? It's history