Who is better ?

Japan or Korea ?

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netherlands should be a teacher

koreans have the lowest literacy

why is japan the dumbest? they're the only other ones who still use characters.
vietnam should be the retard for using the latin alphabet (at least korea came up with their own)

They're the last to adopt.

why is japan even in the classroom?
never in history had china held such an authority over japan in history. on the contrary, japan is the one that conquered them all and pulverized their puny sinocentric world system, creating the modern asia we live in, giving them funds and technologies to make them less of shitholes. the drawing gives away their inferiority complex towards japan, and also shows their cucked desire to be related to japan in some way at the same time.

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>The culture of Japan has changed greatly over the millennia, from the country's prehistoric Jōmon Period, to its contemporary modern culture, which absorbs influences from Asia, Europe, and North America.[1] Strong 9,000 year old ancient Han Chinese cultural influences, including the 8,000 year old ancient Han Chinese writing script,[2] are still evident in traditional Japanese culture as China had historically been a global superpower, which has resulted in Japan absorbing many elements of ancient Han Chinese culture first through what as then the Imperial Chinese tributary vassal state of Korea, then later through direct cultural exchanges during China's Sui and Tang dynasties. The inhabitants of Japan experienced a long period of relative isolation from the outside world during the Tokugawa shogunate after Japanese missions to Imperial China, until the arrival of the "Black Ships" and the Meiji period.

>Japanese is written with a combination of three scripts: hiragana and katakana were derived from the Chinese man'yōgana of the 5th century. Hiragana and katakana were first simplified from Kanji
>Kanji are Chinese characters that were imported from China, because Japan didn't have a writing system until it was introduced around 50 AD

>the early modern thought of Japan was mainly Confucianism or Neo-Confucianism, which was designated for official study by the Tokugawa shogunate
>Confucianism is a system of thought and behavior originating in ancient China

>Early works of Japanese literature were heavily influenced by cultural contact with China and Chinese literature, often written in Classical Chinese.

>Early Japanese calligraphy was originated from Chinese calligraphy

>Painting has been an art in Japan for a very long time. Chinese papermaking was introduced to Japan around the 7th century

>Japanese architecture has a long history as any other aspect of Japanese culture. Originally it was heavily influenced by Chinese architecture

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>The sculpture of Japan started from the clay figure. Japanese sculpture received the influence of the Silk Road culture in the 5th century, and received a strong influence from Chinese sculpture afterwards.

>The earliest kimonos were heavily influenced by traditional Han Chinese clothing, known today as hanfu (漢服, kanfuku in Japanese), through Japanese embassies to China which resulted in extensive Chinese culture adoptions by Japan, as early as the 5th century AD

>The idea of these unique gardens began during the Asuka period. Japanese merchants witnessed the gardens that were being built in China and brought many of the Chinese gardening techniques and styles back to Japan
>The Chinese garden had a very strong influence on early Japanese gardens. In or around 552, Buddhism was officially installed from China, via Korea, into Japan. Between 600 and 612, the Japanese Emperor sent four legations to the Court of the Chinese Sui Dynasty. Between 630 and 838, the Japanese court sent fifteen more legations to the court of the Tang Dynasty. These legations, with more than five hundred members each, included diplomats, scholars, students, Buddhist monks, and translators. They brought back Chinese writing, art objects, and detailed descriptions of Chinese gardens.

>Gagaku, the oldest form of classical music in Japan, was introduced into Japan with Buddhism from China. In 589, Japanese official diplomatic delegations were sent to China (during the Sui dynasty) to learn Chinese culture, including Chinese court music

>Historically influenced by Chinese cuisine, Japanese cuisine has opened up to influence from Western cuisines in the modern era. Dishes inspired by foreign food—in particular Chinese food—like ramen and gyōza, as well as foods like spaghetti, curry, and hamburgers have become adopted

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It's about pre-19th century Westernization. Japan was always the least Sinified oddball lol

You can literally say the same think about Vietnam and Korea. But to a more extent

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oh boy

Qin Xiongnu war
Qin Yue war
Han conquest to South
Han Minyue war
Han Xiongnu war
Han Nanyue war
Han Dian war
Gojoseon Han war
Han Trung war
Goguryeo Wei war
Ran WEi Jie war
Quici expansion
Wei Baekje war.

Theres a whole lot more

They COULDN'T try. That's a matter of fact. Chinese Dynasties were overextended to hell by the time it reached the ordos or korea. There's no way they could suffer the logistics to invade Japan without potential capitulation

Shut the fuck up, today China can easilly invade your shithole.

China saw itself as the valuable center of the world and saw no need to conquer other territories. They were perfectly content with other kingdoms paying tribute or trading with them. Japan was seen as an irrelevant backwater.
That’s why they never colonized like the Europeans or explored.

>China saw itself as the valuable center of the world and saw no need to conquer other territories. They were perfectly content with other kingdoms paying tribute or trading with them. Japan was seen as an irrelevant backwater.
This is literally Zhang propaganda, did you go to chink school or got brainwashed in the US somehow?

this is a literal fact, Japan was an irrelevant shithole until wesrerners civilized them

How can this be Chinese propaganda? This line of thinking ended up biting the Chinese in the ass because it made them stagnant and arrogant compared to the more forward-thinking Europeans. It’s a flaw of the Chinese. The country is literally called the Middle Kingdom.
Fuck off sven you just waltzed into this thread angry for no reason and spazzing at the CCP which has literally nothing to do with what we’re talking about right now

>China saw itself as the valuable center of the world and saw no need to conquer other territories. They were perfectly content with other kingdoms paying tribute or trading with them. Japan was seen as an irrelevant backwater.
That’s why they never colonized like the Europeans or explored.

And how does this go against my post? China was already a regional power and held the ideological mandate of heaven as early as the Han. This doesn't mean they didn't suddenly conquer territories because of some arbitrary holier then thou attitude.

> They were perfectly content
obviously not

>China saw itself as the valuable center of the world
They never were the center of the world, it was always southern European great powers until the 1800s in which Northern Europe took over.

He said "saw" not that it was.

It was the center of the world though, and you're deluded if you think backwater warring kingdoms around the Mediterranean were in any way comparable in influence to motherfucking preindustrial China. The only European country that could compete with China for world relevancy before the 19th century was the Roman Empire, which the Chinese saw as their equal. Throughout every other period, China had a far larger population producing far more goods than anywhere else.

Ok fair enough but I still think historically China has been disinterested in other countries.

>That’s why they never colonized like the Europeans or explored.
Chinese merchants settled all around SEA, and they did send expeditions to explore around the Indian ocean. In a way, they were sort of like Venetians on steroids

It wasn't user they were an empire for a reason. Even Early Qing embraced western scholars with open arms.

The Ottomans themselves were superior economically than China, lol.

That's a part of his post

Literally at no single time in history

Sorry user I don't read further than the last posts when I get into a thread

The Roman Empire was the last empire as mighty and rich as the chinese dynasties until industrial revolution in the west.
From the Tang dynasty to Ming dynasty the chinese were so powerful that all western powers at the time sought to trade with them, but the chinese saw no need for european resources because they had everything already so trade was small.

Well the Qings are special since they are Manchu, so they liked conquering more.
But they still thought they were better than Westerners and were shocked when they started losing to them

big brain = creating your own superior writing system
medium brain = slightly modifying the system to your use
microscopic brain = being so butthurt at china you get rid of their characters but you're too dumb to make a good replacement so you try and use latin characters and end up creating a hideous abortion of a written language

Look up any history book, it's no shock that the one who controls the Mediterranean trade route and Constantinople ended up rich.

>try and use latin characters and end up creating a hideous abortion of a written language
>implying korea used the latin alphabet before inventing hangul
>implying hangul is any more disgusting than hiragana and katakana

Gee, I wonder which regions the trade route linked... almost as if there were a far richer country further to the East of the Ottoman Empire...

The Mediterranean was so valuable because that’s how goods from India and China got into Europe. The Middle Eastern empires got rich by being middlemen for the Europeans and Chinese.
Those Southern European kingdoms you mentioned earlier, you know why they loved exploring so much? So they could find a direct route to China and not have to go trade through the Ottomans

How do you think the Roman Empire got rich? Northern European nations didn't mean anything back then, it was always Southern powers in the Mediterranean, and the one who controlled the trade route and central hubs, in which the most powerful was Constantinople ended up the richest until the trade routes split later on, starting at 1700s.

The borders of Ming, Qing, and modern China include a lot of territory in the North, South, and West that wasn’t considered Chinese under the Han dynasty. Even in times of peace there were massive campaigns to conquer and defend land in these territories. China couldn’t have conquered Japan at any point because the logistics would’ve been impossible. Far harder than the Romans controlling Britain. Only Europe had the technology and logistics for large-scale overseas colonialism

The Roman Empire was the exception, everyone else afterwards was just profiting from the ultra wealth of China, especially commercial empires such as Venice or Genoa, and including Byzantines and Turks.