But nothern part of korean could not make water rice cultivation at that time. so japonica rice was came from south China by ship but not a continental way.) If you think it’s wrong , THEN JUST EXPLAIN WHY MODERN KOREANIC LANGUAGE AND JAPONIC LANGUAGE IS OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT. Most linguists today see the Japonic languages as their own distinct family, not related to Korean, but acknowledge an influence from other language families (and vice versa).
It’s simple, peninsular Japonic and Koreanic has different origin and Koreanic came later and replaced And MIXED peninsular Japonic gradually.
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Classification of the Japonic languages
Classification of the Japonic languages - Wikipedia
The currently most supported view is that the Japonic languages (sometimes also "Japanic") are their own primary language family, consisting of Japanese, Ryukyuan and Peninsular Japonic. The Hachijō language is sometimes classificated as fourth branch of the Japonic language family but currently seen as a very divergent dialect of Eastern Japanese.[7][8]
It is suggested that the linguistic homeland of Japonic is located somewhere in south-eastern or eastern China (Yangtze River) before the proto-Japanese migrated to the Korean Peninsula and the Japanese archipelago.[9][10][11][12] Koreanic languages, then established in Manchuria expanded southward to the Korean peninsula, displacing Japonic languages that have been spoken there and causing the Yayoi migrations into Japan.[2][14][15][16]
Vovin suggests that Japonic languages were spoken in parts of Korea, especially southern Korea, and were then replaced and assimilated from proto-Korean speakers.[2] Similarly Whitman (2012) suggests that Japonic is not related to Korean but that Japonic was present on the Korean peninsula during the Mumun pottery period (Yayoi people). According to him, Japonic arrived in the Korean peninsula around 1500 BC and was brought to the Japanese archipelago by the Yayoi at around 950 BC.
The language family associated with both Mumun and Yayoi culture is Japonic. Origin of Modern Koreanic arrived later from Manchuria to the Korean peninsula at around 300 BC and coexist with the descendants of the Japonic Mumun cultivators (or assimilated them). Both had influence on each other and a later founder effect diminished the internal variety of both language families.[17]
Eli Stewart
Forget modern borderlines and the retarded meme Jomon-Yayoi dichotomy. That's not how it works. The fact is, in prehistoric to ancient times Japonic peoples lived in the south of what is now Korean peninsula and north of what is now Kyushu, Japan. Those peoples are originated from Yangtze River, sharing Japonic language, culture, and genetics, were called Wa or Wa people (Wa-jin), the dominant ethnicity of Yayoi people. They are characterized by haplogroup O1b2a1, still dominant in Japan. They saw the archipelago between Korea and Kyushu as their realm so to speak, with their chiefdoms dotting there and interacting with each other. The interactions could be construed as a flow of people from Korea to Japan in the eye of modern people not familiar with this (a narrative Korea likes to trumpet to mislead) but they were Japonic peoples already distinct from others in the first place. This is why archaeological remains of them as well as descriptions about presence of Wa on the peninsula in ancient records from Japan, Korea, and China, are found. The peninsula Japonic societies however went into a decline in about the middle of the first millennium, and ceased to exist by the 7th century, while the island Japonic societies got more powerful and grew into Yamato, though they left a small genetic mark on Korea. And so, Korean are not Yayoi. They share part of Yayoi ancestry, but the distinctive appearance has more to do with their Tungusic heritage.
Jomon = Paleosiberian people Yaoi = heavily chinkified people from south China, perhaps of Austronesian stock
Tyler Collins
Yes and Koreanic is not a both of this group
Juan Robinson
Too bad, you and Koreans can be traced to people living in Shandong and the Yangtze Delta near Nanking and Shanghai 4000-3000 years ago.
COPE EASTERN CHINESE
Jace Walker
Chi chi chi What you are taking is "peninsular Japonic." in south China
Not a Koreanic from north Manchurian
TOO BAD
"peninsular Japonic"
Jordan Hill
Yayoi are people who transported japonica rice And it’s related culture to japan. This is clearly most important role of Yayoi. Because Wet rice agriculture made Technological revolution. If without it what is the meaning of Importance of Yayoi. And what is different from other originally immigrants?
Fact 1
japonica rice is cultivated in south China.
Fact 2
Japonica rice could not grow northern part of korea.
Fact 3
Okinawan is also part of Under the effect of Yayoi Because they are eating the same japonica rice and the same culture of Yayoi as well.
Fact 4
Yayoi were telling as full tatooed ,fisher man ,bronze making ,short, and speaking not Han language by ancient Chinese.
= Logical conclusion : Yayoi were south Chinese origins. not a northern Koreanic.
if those fact are indicating and why it goes as nothern Koreanic is Yayoi?
lol what a giant cope even germans admit they have a proportionate amount of slavic admixture now excuse me, a master race with the average height of 171cm, i gotta go
Dominic Fisher
>a master race with the average height of 171cm Your average hight is only 2 cm higher
Beside of it you yourself is proven this theory
Why it has hight difference Why Koreanic vocabulary(Tungus origin) and Japonic language (Okinawan southern origin) is sooo different?
It’s because Koreanic (Tungus) is not Japonic (Yayoi)
Yayoi is South chinese
Gabriel Myers
First Yayoi immigrants and peninsular Japonic in ancient Korea were originated from ""Yangtze River civilization."" They are connected Miao minority of now. < Yangtze civilization - Wikipedia < Miao people - Wikipedia < They went japan as Yayoi, They went korea as Beakje ,Gaya and Wa jin. They went Okinawa as part of Okinawan of now. They speak both Japonic language, japonica rice cultivation culture , ship building, bronze Art making, tatoos and ""sharing Japonic Haplogroup O1b2a1(YAYOI JAPANESE )"". < (Han chinese of yellow river civilization and Tungus people such as North Korean were mostly WHEAT cultivation culture ,such as ramen. Japonica RICE cultivation culture was originated from south of Yangtze River civilization which is origin of Japonic race.) < And yayoi(Yamato) in japan and wajin Beakje in korea was strongest allies and always helped each other as the same Japonic people from Yangtze River civilization. When Tungus Silla and Han Chinese invade Korea, Beakje asked Japan to send military help and they send prince of Beakje as hostage to japan. And Yayoi Japanese and Beakje wajin korean was United togather as the same Japonic People from Yangtze southern China and fight against Nothern Silla Tungus and Han Chinese in ancient war. < Battle of Baekgang - Wikipedia < After destruction of Beakje, Silla and Han destroyed everything of Japonic kingdom (Beakje) from korea and Beakje people escaped to Japan and they joined Yamato Japan without any problems. Because they were the same Japonic people from Yangtze River civilization. Modern korean is directly descendants of those Han Chinese and Silla Tungus Mongolian who massacred Japonic people in ancient Korea from Yangtze River civilization.(Yayoi ,Beakje and wa jin.)
Easton Russell
t. Zhang or Otaku
Parker Russell
Korean bro read this well Now in the truth I’ll tell you who you are.
You koreans are the SHILLA THE TUNGUS add Han chinese, Who massacred and raped PENINSULAR JAPONIC RACE IN KOREA (BAEKJE ,GAYA AND WAJIN)
Korean now is biggest enemy of peninsular Japonic race from the ancient war.
Yes korean Our war was started already From the ancient times until now.
Angel Lee
everal linguists, including Alexander Vovin and Juha Janhunen, suggest that Japonic languages were spoken by WA people (ancient Japanese) and were present in large parts of the southern Korean Peninsula. According to Vovin, these "Peninsular Japonic languages" were replaced by Koreanic-speakers (possibly belonging to the Han-branch). Peninsular Japonic - Wikipedia Janhunen also suggests that early Baekje was still predominantly Japonic-speaking before they got replaced or assimilated into the new Korean society. < Peninsular Japonic languages are now-extinct Japonic languages that many linguists believe were formerly spoken on the central and southern parts of the Korean Peninsula. The evidence consists of placenames listed in ancient texts, principally the Samguk sagi(compiled in 1145 based on earlier records). Most linguists today see the Japonic languages as their own distinct family, not related to Korean, but acknowledge an influence from other language families (and vice versa)
Christian Scott
And shocking fact for you
the last legitimacy royals family line of Baekje kingdom became the One of the clan under the Japanese emperor Jito, after the destruction of Baekje when baekje joined Yamato.
So last imperial line of baekje themselves leave from Korea and settled in japan and being one of the clans!
The Kudara no Konikishi (Japanese: 百済王) was a Japanese clan , under the emperor Jito of Japan, whose founder Zenkō (善光 or 禅広) was a son of King Uija, the last king of Baekje in southwestern Korea. Kudara was an uji or clan name that represented their country of origin, Baekje. Konikishi or Kokishi, which literally means "king", was a special kabane that was given only to the former royal families of Baekje and Goguryeo: the Kudara, Shōna (肖奈) and Koma (高麗) clans. The founder Zenkō came from Baekje to Japan along with his brother Hōshō in 643. Even though Japan sent Hōshō back to Korea for a failed campaign to revive Baekje, Zenkō remained in Japan. The former royal family members were treated as "barbarian guests" (蕃客) and were not incorporated into the domestic political system of Japan for some time. They enjoyed privileged treatment while they were obliged to serve to the emperor in a symbolic fashion.[1] They were finally assimilated into Japanese bureaucracy in 691. They were given the name "Kudara no Konikishi" sometime after that. This event has drawn scholarly attention and a couple of theories have been proposed to explain the reason why they were given this peculiar name at that particular time.
Kevin Barnes
Yayoi was Peninsular_Japonic Not a Koreanic.
Koreanic is shilla (Tungus) who massacred Peninsular_Japonic with Tang China We have the same blood? Oh you off course
Korean silla raped Japonic baekje In korea and Ton of baekje people escape to japan Offcourse we are mixed in such situations
So Problems is Not DNA because we are all raped each other at ancient war
More important is who was Exactly Yayoi are. Peninsular Japonic or koreanic
Yayoi are people who transported japonica rice And it’s related culture to japan. This is clearly most important role of Yayoi. Because Wet rice agriculture made Technological revolution. If without it what is the meaning of Importance of Yayoi. And what is different from other originally immigrants?
Fact 1
japonica rice is cultivated in south China.
Fact 2
Japonica rice could not grow northern part of korea.
Fact 3
Okinawan is also part of Under the effect of Yayoi Because they are eating the same japonica rice and the same culture of Yayoi as well.
Fact 4
Yayoi were telling as full tatooed ,fisher man ,bronze making ,short, and speaking not Han language by ancient Chinese.
= Logical conclusion : Yayoi were south Chinese origins. not a northern Koreanic.
if those fact are indicating and why it goes as nothern Koreanic is Yayoi?
It’s simply out of the logic.
Matthew Miller
Jomon were a Negrito people from southeast Asia though. Their closest relatives were the Onge of the Andaman islands and assorted Negrito tribes dwelling in the Philippines.
Ryan Collins
Then japanese posters have been mocked themselves here?
Colton Cook
>hate koreans so much that you actually want to associate with joshua wong looking manlet cucks instead of siberian chads with massive jaws shame on you japan, shame on you
Lucas Green
No one likes you.
Robert Reyes
The Korean Peninsula was originally Japonic. I don't know if Korean-speakers conquered the Korean Japonic population and made them speak Korean or if the Korean speakers were already Yayoi-like and exterminated the Korean Japonics. I think it was the former, because the proto-Koreans were supposed to be Siberian-like, not Yayoi-like.
Sebastian Nelson
what a news buddy
Jose Morris
I like you. I watched some Korean films. Now I know some superficial things about South Korea.
>because the proto-Koreans were supposed to be Siberian-like, not Yayoi-like.
No evidence for that.
Koreans and Japanese split occurred somewhere in the Liaodong Peninsula or Shandong before Japanese moved into the southern peninsula and Koreans probably lived somewhere in North Korea
Japanese and Koreans have nothing to do with Siberians or Mongolians, or even Tungusic peoples
They came from the Yangtze as rice farmers, moved up into Shandong and crossed over the Yellow Sea into Liaodong and Korea. And then, they became completely sinicized culturally, while perserving their native tongues.
The only difference you see between them and Chinese are basically language and isolation temporally and geographically.
Juan Bennett
Japanese have relative to Koreans 6% Negrito-related("Jomon") admixture.
Julian Parker
Excuse me? Jomon is Haplogroup D originate Central Asia and Tibet is most purest Jomon.
Andoman island Jomon was came from Central Asia You are wrong direction
That's not accurate. All of modern Korea (both south and north) was inhabited by a Japonic Yayoi people until some Koreanic population went south and supplanted Japonic. This Koreanic population came from modern Manchuria and did not inhabit any part of Korea, until they migrated into Korea. It's unknown if they came from Siberia, the steppe, or were always in northern Manchuria.
Genetically the Koreans are very close to Yayoi Japonics, which means it's more likely that some Koreanic ruling elite imposed their language upon them, than some Yayoi-like Manchurians replaced them.
Anthony Mitchell
Ackshually, haplogroup D in Japanese and Andaman islanders forms a branch exclusive of the Tibetan D. So, they branched off last from Andaman islanders. Anyway, I'm talking mainly autosomal DNA here. There are Jomon genomes, and they exhibit autosomal links with the Negrito populations of the Andaman islands and Philippines. It's not such a big deal though, the legendary Aryans, ancestors of the white race also came from Negritos, except those Negritos had the P1 haplogroup and not the D. But nevertheless, Aryans and Japanese are from the same stock
Lincoln Evans
>No evidence Excuse me?
See the language of koreanic. They speak BASED ON TUNGUS And korean original Haplogroup is originated around Manchurian
Koreanic is actually third party
Not Han chinese from the yellow river civilization
Not Japonic from the Yangtze River civilization
But koreanic is originated Tungus Manchurian originated.
AND WHAT THE YAYOI MEANS?
YAYOI MEANS PEOPLE WHO TRANSPORTED JAPONICA RICE TI JAPAN
AND JAPONICA RICE IS ORIGINATED IN SOUTH CHINA
AND HOW ON EARTH ,YAYOI COULD BE NOTHERN TUNGUS KOREANIC??
USE YOUR BRAIN A BIT
Xavier Jackson
You are very confused. Jomon samples are mixed between Paleosiberians and Neosiberians, they aren't autosomally pure. The white race existed long before the Ary too.
Jaxon Reed
Do you know that meaning?
JOMOM IS PRE MONGOLIAN ANCIENT ASIAN . They were common people all over the continent and island before Mongolian and Han Chinese kicked out the Jomon from entire Asia Regardless race
Only Far East Jomon in japan High mountain jomon in Tibet And hidden small island of andman island remains Jomon Haplogroup D
Lincoln Reed
Ching chong Give me the ping pong
Ramen
Levi Nguyen
>Jomon samples are mixed between Paleosiberians and Neosiberians, Uh, no. Not at all actually. >Paleosiberian Native American-like >Neosiberian The former with additional East Asian ancestry. Jomon on the other hand were more like:
Mind you, this is a very late Jomon. It's more like a Jomon+Yayoi. There's also a related Sakhalin HG from an earlier period, however it also has some Neolithic Chinese related ancestry compared to the Nivkh.
