Mental disorders aren't real. people just haven't done their prayers yet

Tbh the cosmological arguments for god are strong enough that being an atheism really is a mental illness.

It's funny how some religious people unironically believe that morality came from GOD. Religions like christianity, islam or judaism are made just to legitimatize the founders' moral values.

Where do morals come from then

Basic morality is inherent in human nature to a certain degree because man is a social animal. Humans have improved it and made it fit into their own cultures or social structures.

Can you seriously not think of a reason why creatures would avoid being nasty to each other without God telling them to

nigga muzzies only blow up if they follow a very specific branch of belief and interpretation of their 'holy' book, islam seems to be a pretty good cope and the ones that snap probably translate to abuse or family issues

>made up religions can predict the future with precision many times sequentially

That’s not the point
When I see ass my brain thinks fugg, this doesn’t mean I get to fugg even though it’s in my nature
So where do morals come from?

Whats your point then? Confusing

Muslims believe everyone is inherently born muslim but can be corrupted as they age

My point is without God given guidance there can be no justification for morals or human rights or any of that

altruism and its later organization into societal norms (advantageous norms)

Well that's obviously rubbish isn't it, especially seeing as most countries with the least crime are the least religious. If you're only nice to people because you think God is watching you then you're a sociopath

What other creature does it?
And how is it good in an evolutionary sense for an individual?
A moral individual is more likely to fuck with their own survival for the sake of others.
Immoral individuals take what they want and often become richfags
How did morality get selected in the first place?

>And if it's a social construct, then what stops me from knoking up on your house and shooting you? If nobody discovers it, you're fucked out of luck
Nothing. Just get a look at your own country lol

you could also say that religious 'directives' fail to account for evolving and wide-reaching social implications, and were born not of omniscience but human prescription

Morality without God is literally a spook
It only matters as long as you don't notice "oh, there's no God, nothing will happen to me if I do bad thing, I will die and it will all be over, who cares"
And when you realize this, morality ends

Advantageous to whom?
You seem unable to answer the question or even attempt to do so

Every social animal has 'morals', even rats have been proven to show generosity. Unless you think of course that God is telling the rats to donate their food to other, less fortunate rats

society organizes around groups, its beneficial to the group, you receive protection from rape after its demonized by society. A religious preacher can't rape you too because its born out of common human understanding (and disgust)

Atheists act morally simply because it is pragmatic or improves their social standing. Religious people act morally in pursuit of a higher, transcendental ideal (God).

>Advantageous to whom?
You really can't see how murder being frowned increases the survival rates of everyone?

What are you talking about? What kind of 'justification' are you after? A group of animals that aren't at each others throats will be more successful and breed more, not complicated is it? Shouldn't need explaining

>beneficial to the group,
Who gave you the right to decide what is beneficial and what is detrimental?

the consensus around norms advantageous to the group (society) as a whole, born out of pragmatism or innate altruism that we share with lesser primates

no they don't, unless it's their immediate relatives and there's some immediate advantage for them
humans decide they will decrease their protein intake because they feel bad for cute
Animals

Fuck facts and logic

So morals are based on maximizing population or breeding? I don’t think that’s right
You’re missing the point, why is a higher survival rate good or bad

Based

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>why is a higher survival rate good or bad
Survival is the most basic instinct, present in all living beings.

Yes, there can. Our entire species has developed to prioritize the collective well-being of our communities in order to ensure the survival of our offspring and keep humans from dying out. We have better chances of survival when we stay in groups, therefore we ensure that these groups are stable and don't fall apart.

You're literally plain wrong

nature.com/news/2007/070702/full/070702-4.html#:~:text=Rats do unto others as they have been done to.&text=Rats that benefit from the,been seen before in humans.

>consensus
That would mean morals change from group to group and time to time. In a prison of rapists maybe the consensus would be rape is good, would this make rape good in that context?

>survival rates of everyone
since when do animals care about "everyone" outside of themselves and their immediate families?
Since when do cows in India care about the well being of cows in Brazil, or decide not to fart because they don't want to increase CO2 in the air?

For me, but if I kill you the genetic pool just got smaller and consequentially my share in the genetic pool got bigger. I don’t like where this Darwinism morals is going
See above

You don't agree with natural selection?

>That would mean morals change from group to group and time to time
That's quite obvious

Religion's consensuses had to be changed or excused countless times as society's circumstances changed. You're discounting our innate altruism (which contrived religion maybe) and pragmatism

Prison population is unempathetic, and a society dominated by such psychopaths would be awful. Seems like there's something in us (emotional)

no, I don't actually think anything that I'm posting
yes, I will post it anyway

Many things written in bibles were proven wrong by scientific facts tho. I won't say science is always right but it's built with objective observations and experiments worth believing.
Can you show me some examples of the precise predictions?

>since when do animals care about "everyone" outside of themselves and their immediate families
The angloid already posted a source for that
>Since when do cows in India care about the well being of cows in Brazil, or decide not to fart because they don't want to increase CO2 in the air?
Now you're just being stupid. Cows don't have the ability to understand the concept of pollution, or the knowledge that cows in the other side of the planet are suffering

why do Arabic speakers say this? It makes no sense
May He (probably God) curse your god's religion
Absolute nonsense

> but if I kill you the genetic pool just got smaller and consequentially my share in the genetic pool got bigger
Unless me or anyone stronger than you, manage to kill you first. Your logic does not apply, unless you're the most skilled and strongest man on earth. But if you were truly the greatest man on earth, your chances of survival would greatly increase if you didn't murdered everyone around you, because you would certainly die on winter

OK this is based

I have always considered people's mental illness not as a legitimate excuse for misbehaviour, but as another thing to fault people for.
it comes off as very self centered to say things like 'I can't help it', ultimately, you are still acting unpleasantly. people from the muslim cultural sphere seem more open to the idea than westeners, though both cultures are guilty of victim worship

If I were to base my morals on natural selection I would kill every male I could and breed every female I could
Or better yet cuck males so they could raise my children
So if I’m in a group of 10 and 6 of us agree rape is okay and we rape the other 4 we are being moral?
> Prison population is unempathetic, and a society dominated by such psychopaths would be awful. Seems like there's something in us (emotional)
Cope and doesn’t matter, it’s still a consensus

Its haram in islam to curse or insult any religion, especially our fellow abrahamics

Okay and?

>So if I’m in a group of 10 and 6 of us agree rape is okay and we rape the other 4 we are being moral?
I'm not sure what you mean by "moral". But yes, plenty of societies did saw rape as a acceptable thing.
The mongols for a start.

then why do they say it if it's haram then

If you kill anyone that isn't you, you die. Which is bad for your survival

>humans have no altruism yet God claims he created it and appeals to it
morality evolved out of societal organization based on it. Religion inventing it is a bigger cope since it only just appeared 145-90 thousand years into humanity's (sarcastically) altruism absent existence lol

even here they used to say it, the effect is large and people can be reckless

No you wouldn't because you're a human being and we're social animals. Other creatures that aren't social animals, like some insects, do sometimes do that. Even then, would you be likely to breed if you were getting in constant fights to the death with your own species, therefore proving to any prospective mates that you're unhinged and dangerous and uncooperative?

religious people literally use altruism based reasoning to extend their god's doctrine

>I'm not sure what you mean by "moral"
Ok so after all that you don’t want to associate consensus with morality?
Idgi
Huh? I didn’t say that

its a direct consequence of your argument. Altruism isn't innate in humans and god provides direction, yet he appeals to our innate morals (to do good)

>No you wouldn't because you're a human being and we're social animals.
According to natural selection I should
>we’re social animals
so?