What's the general opinion about Ataturk among Turkish people today? How did Ataturk legacy go to toilet in 10-15 years?
What's the general opinion about Ataturk among Turkish people today? How did Ataturk legacy go to toilet in 10-15 years?
Justin Ward
Asher Jackson
Secularism is meme
Blake Thomas
islamists and kurds never liked him and constantly shit on him, most kemalists became progressives who hate him for being racist authoritarian fascist nationalist hitler hitler hitler fuddy duddy,
Brandon Gomez
>all of the most developed countries in the world are secular
>s-secularism is a meme, inshallah! let me mutilate my children for the glory of YHW- I-I mean Allah!
Juan Adams
Haha
Nathan Ramirez
Turkey itself was never secular and the only thing that secured it was decades of a cult of personality and hero worship around Ataturk. Plus, his republic explicitly gave the military power to topple governments, so islamists kept their mouthes shut out of fear. But things have changed, their democracy has matured and with coups now extremely disliked, islamists are unfortunately free to ruin everything, as per usual
Camden Parker
Erdo isn't the worst. He has actually appealed to a lot of people who felt like their interests had been ignored, and supposedly he has improved some industry. Also he's not trying to make Turkey Sharia or anything like that, he just wants the society to be more Islamic overall.
But overall I dislike him, the increased authoritarianism, the purges of 2016, the trashy statements and the antagonism towards their neighbours (especially Syria and Egypt) means he's damaging
t. not actually a Turk, just am interested in ME in general
Alexander Myers
>most kemalists became progressives who hate him for being racist authoritarian fascist nationalist hitler hitler hitler fuddy duddy,
Is there no hope for Turkey? Many turkish I know in Finland have just mostly positive view about them. But they're 2nd generation diaspora
Oliver Green
erdogan bad ataturk good give based+upvote pls
Lincoln Lopez
purges and syria operations are best thing he did in his reign before this he was ally with k*rds and nato cucks, cultist islamists. now hes real kemalist.
Jacob Reyes
Ataturk is pretty much everywhere in Turkey. You see his statutes and pictures everywhere. That wouldn't be the case if he was hated
Austin Taylor
Which is the reddit opinion here? Ataturk was a right wing military leader who makes turkish butthurt belters seethe and erodagan an islamist
None of them seem reddit
Ryder Parker
>purges and syria operations are best thing he did in his reign
really disagree, but can you explain?
Adam Bennett
^
Ayden Gomez
its very long story. do you even know feto and pkk?
Lincoln Rivera
it's not about islam. kemalism is a boomer ideology. his legacy went down the toilet in the last 10-15 years because the current generation of "secular" Turks are full on international socialists. basically pic related.
Jace Ward
after we shot down russian jet putin gave a speech saying ataturk is rolling in his grave cuz erdogan is fighting his dictator friend assad. then normies use this narrative.
Chase Bailey
PKK yes, feto no
Jacob Sanders
started to use*
Asher Lewis
Feel like shit just want them back x
Bentley Miller
Everyone does, you have a shit leader and your country is backwards. Turning Hagia Sophia into a mosque was cringe and becoming islamist is cringe.
Tyler Wright
oh just looked it up, FETO is Gulenism. Then yes I do know some things about it
Jonathan Anderson
Oh shit lmao are those gulenist generals in the back? Going for a bank shot because I think I kind of recognize the faces
Joshua Sanchez
What about the military? Isn't that he backbone of kemalist?
Easton Morgan
American Confederate statues were all still standing just some months ago
Chase Parker
>now hes real kemalist.
How is he a real Kemalist?
Easton Wilson
Cult of personality that's about it. He tries to cancel ataturk and make him the new one.
Cooper Cruz
all i see in this picture is 2 devil son of a bitch
long story short feto was ally of erdogan. they purged kemalists together and made "peace progress" with pkk. later feto wanted more power from erdogan. when erdo refused this they released voice tapes of high rank officals about syria plans, trade with iran and corruption etc
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Cameron Wood
military was pacified by americans during the cold war.
he's not. kemalism is renamed national socialism, erdoid is not a nationalist.
Bentley Price
Levi Gutierrez
he has enough power to do that but he dont and wont. this forced meme by western media. if you defend your border against usa, greece you are bad guy for west.
Adrian James
>How did Ataturk legacy go to toilet in 10-15 years?
What do you imagine his legacy to be? He fought to preserve Turkish sovereignty from the West. >most kemalists became progressives who hate him for being racist authoritarian fascist nationalist hitler hitler hitler fuddy duddy,
They hate him because they hate Turkey. Kaftancioglu is literally a PKK supporter who opposes the title “Ataturk” and refuses to use it. She’s the Istanbul Provincial CHP head.
Carson Brooks
Jason Russell
why would anyone like this karatai kike?
Matthew Reyes
Kemalism was multifaceted. The nationalist wing is strong.
Lincoln Flores
Hunter Campbell
> if you defend your border against usa, greece you are bad guy for west.
He isn't doing just that. That I can respect, but he's recessing the country back to islamist shit hole Ataturk wanted to modernize. I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future they would reintroduce arabic alphabet. Erdogan has also denounced his turkic brothers and sisters. He's much more into islamistic than turanism
Tyler Butler
Erdogan is here setting up schools for Gagauz Turks in Moldova. They are orthodox Christians.
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Also to answer your question. Foreigners and domestic traitors found out quickly that you could say “Ataturk Ataturk Ataturk” and basically do whatever you wanted. The fake Kemalists were purged by the real Kemalists.
Colton Green
If present day kemalist in turkey are sjw tier leftists. They don't have my support. I wish there was still the strong kemalist military to keep thing under control. Sad that it turned out like that it seems
Owen Hall
Why did you call him a real Kemalist then?
Jason Ross
>If present day kemalist in turkey are sjw tier leftists. They don't have my support. I wish there was still the strong kemalist military to keep thing under control. Sad that it turned out like that it seems
The CHP was taken over by socialist SJW but they are not the only Kemalists in Turkey. They are actually turning against Kemalism. Every party in Turkey except for HDP/PKK is Kemalist.
Ryder Johnson
>and wont
Why?
Benjamin Harris
erdogan would be biggest atheist or marxist if that would benefit him. hes street smart machievallist type guy. this how he managed to purge kemalists, his islamist nato backed old allies and other communist k*rds.
Dylan Phillips
That's fucked up. How many actual kemalist are there? Like right wing? Or are all right wingers just erdogan supporters since there's no other way?
Why do leftist have to ruin everything lmao ...
I'm btw Tatar so I want to know more about whats happening there in my cousins country lol
Are you turkish?