When did the Europeans win the world?
imo 1492.
When did the Europeans win the world?
pretty much when we abandonded the mediterranean and went exploring, so yeah i would agree
industrialization. Until then Chinese and middle eastern cultures could at least compete
>we
europe was a backwards poor shithole until the 16th century. Middle east fags were getting rich off of cucking europe with high tarrifs on Asian goods until the Portuguese had enough of it and tried to establish their own trade route to India and China
you can even say earlier.
i mean the actual discover of america was pretty unimportant at the time, getting to india by sea was much more importatn, as it was india that made superpowers.
yeah p much
Venetians and genovese also had a role tho
when romans beated carthageneans
When did they lose the world? I'd say 2015
Venetians and the Genovese were pseudo arab jews
when the chinese trashed their own trading fleet, that feels like a good example of fucking yourself in the ass with a rusty scissor
and the mongols and timur burning everything to the east and south east of Europe
1842. In 1492 we won America, but there were still larger powers. In 1842, the largest power on Earth, China, was crushed and the United Kingdom took its role. THAT was the true beginning of European domination over the entire world, and it ended a century later with WW2 (thank you Germany, very cool).
Pretty sure the Europeans were hopelessly ahead when they just got the technology to round the south of Africa
hypnotic
The Chinese had the technology to go on similarly impressive trips, but no real incentive to. And to think Europe was more advanced than the rest of the world at a time when the Turks were buttfucking us is deluded.
Turks were buttfucking Balkaners
France allied with Ottomans bc it was afraid of Habsburg hegemony
Europe already was #1 in the early modern period, it was the middle ages during which it got its developmental advantage over the rest of the world
The Turks were never going to get past central Europe, if they got that far everyone else in Europe would have tried to balance the power by going against them
>but no real incentive to.
not having that kind of thinking is also a factor for being ahead
If that had been the case, then the scramble for Africa wouldn't have taken place in the last decades of the 19th century. Instead, in the 16th century Europeans could barely colonize American lands that had been ravaged by COVID -500, and couldn't dream of imposing their conditions on the Middle East or North Africa, let alone polities such as the Persian Empire.
You think Europeans had a special thinking of "oh yeah I'm going to try and dominate the whole world 300 years later, I should try by mastering sea travel because this is a Civ game and I know the tech tree"?
More important question: When did BBC win white women?
being ahead doesn't mean you're superior enough to subjugate your rivals
Europeans were ahead, Spanish and Italians defeated Ottomans in the Mediterranean, Austrians/Russians/Poles halted them in the Balkans and Caucasus, Portuguese defeated them and Persians in the Indian Ocean and Arabia and took control of the world's coastlines
no but they had some needs, some technology and stuff that made them go out exploring the seas
and when their ships go to the indian sees and Europeans got to America there wasn't anything stopping the Europeans from spiraling out of control
Yes, Europe wasn't the strongest in the 15th century but all the factors for getting there were already there
>europeans
>1492
uh?
>being ahead doesn't mean you're superior enough to subjugate your rivals
I mean, yes it does mean exactly that?
>Yes, Europe wasn't the strongest in the 15th century but all the factors for getting there were already there
That's pretty much my point yes. The real domination started happening in the 1800's.
If we say lik this
in position the Europeans weren't very ahead just yet
but in speed and acceliration they were very much ahead
>I mean, yes it does mean exactly that?
no it doesn't? Euros were ahead, that's why they conquered the oceans and New World in the early modern period and ammassed enough power to subjugate the remaining powers a little while later. If non-Euros were ahead it would've been them who grew to total dominance in the 19th century.
*Europe North of the Alps
Ahead in exactly what? By the 16th century the Chinese and Indians had more advanced technology, and China was far better structured as a country.
>but no real incentive to
basically this, silver mines in Europe were exhausted and that was literally the only thing Chinese wanted from Europe, so once the turks cut the routes the iberians had the incentive to find alternatives
I think the Europeans were ahead of the Indians regarding naval teach which was pretty much all that mattered between powers as far away
I think philosophically and socially Europe was miles ahead of the rest of the world by the 16th century. Protestant reformation, beginning of the age of reasoning, etc.
Galileo Galilei etc
More advanced technology in what regard?