What happens here...

What happens here? Of all the North African countries they’re the one I know the least about other than rebelling against France. I know that Morocco is an authoritarian monarchy, Tunisia is a democracy and the freest Arab country, Libya is a war torn shithole since we overthrew Ghaddafi (sorry) and Egypt is a military dictatorship but I know absolutely nothing about Algeria. What is it like nowadays and what are they up to?

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What do you want to know? your questions are a bit too vague.
If you want some oversimplified answer then it's an insular semi-dictatorship (somewhere between Egypt and Tunisia on the spectrum) that doesn't really care to promote itself, and isn't fucked up enough to make headlines like Libya, which is probably why nobody knows much about it.

How liberal are they in terms of religion, honor and sexuality? Are college kids fugging?

Pretty liberal by Islamic world standards, If you want regional a frame of reference we're on par with Morocco, less liberal than Tunisia and more liberal than Egypt, and much more liberal than Libya which is a very conservative country.
>honor and sexuality?
Not sure what honor means exactly, I guess it's strong as with any Islamic country but we don't have shit like honor killings.
Sexuality like fag shit? it's a weird thing because while people aren't tolerant of it we also have some openly gay singers that say about having a bf, it's a really weird dichotomy.
>Are college kids fugging?
They do but it's not openly celebrated or talked about.

>that sing about having a bf*

Dunno if you answer but what do you mean by Tunisia being more liberal? Like what do they do that is more liberal compared to other Maghreb countries

Algerianon can tell you more but they made it legal for non muslim men to marry muslim women(idk why the country is like 99% muslim lmao), they have a bunch of abortion clinics, a lot of the young people are atheists, they have a bunch of civil codes for marriage and divorce, and other issues instead of shari'a.

In terms of their society being a bit more accepting of non-traditionally Islamic things like open displays of sexuality, having abortion and equal inheritance laws. This isn't caused by any inherent cultural differences, it's just that historically they had dictators who pushed aggressively for secularization.

Of course this is all relative to the Islamic world, if seen by a westerner they'd be pretty damn conservative.

>legal for non muslim men to marry muslim women
>a lot of the young people are atheists.
That is pretty interesting actually I had no idea say for example if a non Muslim were to marry a Muslim women in Tunisia how would this be viewed socially? Do they not care or it’s frowned upon?

Yes those are pretty good points, the Non-Muslim man on Muslim women marriage is destined for foreigners who want to marry Tunisian women, although the law banning that isn't enforceable in the countries that have it anyway, because you literally only have to say two phrases (Shahadah) to become a Muslim and be eligible for it, it's a dumb thing to have.

Socially it wouldn't be viewed well at all, there's a dissonance between things that are legal and things that are socially accepted in Tunisia (and even here), this is one of them.

>it's just that historically they had dictators who pushed aggressively for secularization.
Interesting, wonder why it stuck here but not the rest of Maghreb. I kind’ve expected Algeria to kinda adopt some more western style policies just because of historical reasons so this is interesting.

I am Is it common for maghrebis to marry foreigners? Why was there such a large demand for this law in the first place? Women in the streets were demanding for it lmao

Yeah that makes sense I assumed that although it’s a law, culturally it’s not looked highly upon but the other user mentioned that there’s many atheists in Tunisia so I imagined that some wouldn’t care at least

>Women in the streets were demanding for it lmao
Really? Do they like foreign bvll kek? Funny if true

I'm not Tunisian I just like reading about other cultures, so I was pretty bewildered when a country that's 99% muslim had women protesting over it

I can't imagine it felt too good for Tunisian men lmao

In Algeria Islam was instrumental in keeping our identity and eventually kicking the French out, that's probably why it holds a bit more sway, secularization happened under the Socialist regime that took over after independence but it didn't reach the proportion of the measures adopted in Tunisia, which had a ban on all government workers wearing the hijab and the police would take you in for questioning if they see you frequenting the mosque too often.

>Is it common for maghrebis to marry foreigners?
Somewhat common for men to marry foreign women, less so for the opposite case, I only know one woman who married a Dutchman but he's a convert.
>Why was there such a large demand for this law in the first place? Women in the streets were demanding for it lmao
I honestly don't know if there was demand for it, I suspect it's just a certain dynamic by the elite to keep up the "liberal democracy" front going, and all the good PR that comes with that, because while there were demands and protests for polygamy to be allowed by Islamic crowds in Tunisia, it was never considered.
This is turning into a Tunisia thread, I can't really answer this with confidence.

That seems really surprising but very interesting. Didn’t expect such a weirdly liberal protest like that if it’s true.
>which had a ban on all government workers wearing the hijab and the police would take you in for questioning if they see you frequenting the mosque too often.
That is super fucking fascinating. I am French Canadian so we never hear any of the stuff about the Maghreb region expect briefly learning about French Algeria in schools but in your opinion do you ever see Algeria becoming more secular like Tunisia in the future?

Did these policies make Tunsia less religious or did they backfire and lead to a revival?
t. definitely not someone looking for ways to secularize the US of A

Are oil revenues fairly distributed to the people in Algeria?
Also how do you feel about people co-opting the Algerian War for their agenda against Macron?

Yes I do, the younger generation is distinctly less religious so I expect a gradual move in that direction.

Both things from what I can tell, it seems to have caused a polarization of society, they have both a disproportionate amount of feminists and of jihadists going to ISIS.

>Are oil revenues fairly distributed to the people in Algeria?
Fairly perhaps but not necessarily smartly, we have millions of houses built and distributed to people, you pay next to nothing for gas, electricity, water, essential foods, free education and healthcare, in short life is dirt cheap here but wages are also low, if I were in charge I wouldn't do it this way because this approach has a lot of downsides, but I suppose it's more fairly distributed than in countries like Angola or something.
>Also how do you feel about people co-opting the Algerian War for their agenda against Macron?
I've only heard of Turks doing this as a response to France invoking the Armenian genocide, I think both of them are hypocrites engaging in tu quoque argumentation instead of working to sanitize their national histories and heal the wounds caused by their actions in the past.

Honestly I think Islamic revivalism is only prevalent when a country is mired in social, political and economic instability. Most of the Arab world became increasingly secular during the cold war and has only reversed that trend because of the aforementioned, in my opinion. A lot of young people in Pakistan for example are finally starting to embrace secularism and feminism. See 'aurat march'

>they have both a disproportionate amount of feminists and of jihadists going to ISIS.
hopefully the jihadis will kill the feminists and kamala will kill the jihadis

Nah if you go on twitter or the islamic subreddits you'll see muslims and even Algerian diaspora trying to use it

I think Algerians have the right to use it but anyone else can fuck off, this is between Algeria and France as entities, not the Islamic world and the western world or something.

Not trying to sound patronizing, but why are there so many Algerians in France? Are Algerians not spiteful over everything like Armenians are?

Interesting, so how do you guys view your diaspora in France for example? I don’t know any Algerians or see any here as I live a bit rurally but from what I’ve seen and read upon they seem more religious than their parents or their family in the mainland.
True I’ve noticed these small Arabic countries such as Bahreïn and maybe Kuwait and Qatar too seem quite liberal not really sure why but they seem to benefit a lot from foreigners coming

Algeria was a French colony at one point. France is generally pretty accepting of immigrants from former colonies. You may not hear about but there are Vietnamese in France as well.

There was an Algerian I knew, he said if he returned in Algeria he would be 'force-conscripted'. Is that true?

It's much easier to immigrate to France than to anywhere else, socially it's because immigrants go to where they can find communities of their own people, and Algerians were taken to work in France all the way back in the 19th century, so they were quite established there, legally France makes it easy for Algerians to move and gain citizenship there, more so than any other nationality, and they also took in a bunch of hundreds of thousands of guest workers in the 60s and 70s, most of which came back but many of whom stayed over.
I can't answer for why Algerians accept to go there and how that relates to the issues of the past, I think the fact that it's so much easier wins over at the end, although I personally would never go to France.

lol I know that I'm talking about how France is viewed contentiously because of their war crimes in Algeria dummy. Its kinda like Armenians moving to Turkey for opportunity, albeit that might be an extreme comparison..

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We as a society don't think or talk much of the diaspora, to us they're French first and Algerian second, they're only really relevant when they choose to play for our national team.
The ones I interacted with here had this sort of hood mentality and their parents were definitely more religious than what's the norm here, I don't know if that's a defense mechanism against westernization or what.

It's likely if he doesn't have an exemption and is under 30 of age, yes, although he'd have to not be a student for that to apply.

why is this retarded algerian proxy spreading lies about my country ??

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It's hard to draw the parallel there because Turkey isn't much more prosperous than Armenia is, nor do the two of them share a language that facilitates immigration. I also don't think there's that level of visceral hatred between us and the French, just regular hatred, it's more like Korea and Japan I'd say.