Counting Cards

Anyone do this on here? Have you been successful? If you win will casinos beat you up?

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pit bosses will be notified if anyone is on a win streak. their first move usually is to interrupt you, bother you by trying to offer you comps or whatever. usually they wont actually submit your info to make the comps go through. its just a ruse to interrupt you if you are counting. ive never personally had it escalate past that, but anybody on a win streak is definitely watched and will be dealt with.

I’m a degen who doesn’t count but has gone on winstreaks going past 30k. Never noticed this but yes I remember now.

What happens when they interrupt you? Do you end up leaving? Is card counting easy? It seems kinda hard doing it under pressure. How are you dealing with casino closures now?

How did you win so much if all the dealers at casinos know how to count cards?

I did some exploratory research on this whole space.

I forget the specifics, but I ultimatley walked away unimpressed with the long term income prospects (limited by how many hands you can physically be present for and play).

You essentially earn expected value per hand on your bankroll. Any wasted time from either slow players, dealer, or having to venue switch will lower your $/hr.

That's why, in my opinion, the guys looking to scale up get into running teams + coaching on youtube i.e. having employees or a growth opportunity with an audience.

That or they quit when they realize obsessing obrt mathematics or coding is less repetitive with far greater results per input time. You get paid to execute perfect, systematic blackjack, not to design/build/create.

In sum, it looked like the best era to play full time had passed, while a new era of part timing it as a college kid or hobbyist has been ushered in. Could be a neat gig for a young person, but look at players that transition out of playing and try to find out why.

One reason to get into it would be for the novelty.

Card counting doesn’t give you some secret power to know what’s gonna happen user. Only increases chances of good hands, but those hands can also go to the dealer.

card counting is just keeping an eye on what has been played and then keeping in mind which cards are left. if the deck is almost all played and no aces have been played, then you would probably want to increase your bets due to the probability of an ace dropping.

but its typical for them to use like at least 6 decks per game of blackjack

basically they can tell you to leave on suspicion of card counting regardless whether you are or not. so you can walk away with some winnings playing blackjack but you wont be playing long enough to take down the casino.

This doesn't sound right. I've seen docs of people making millions. It scales so how is it in line with time?

nice! that must have been very fun.

god damn retards. no matter how good you are it is still fucking luck to win more than loose.

the dealer doesnt make any decisions while playing. the house sets the rules for the dealers actions. dealer might as well be a robot, except then i wouldnt trust it .

True. How long can you play for before you get asked to leave? Also, do you get permabanned? Can't you just keep going to different casinos?

Fun when I’m winning yes. Don’t start playing with what you can’t lose. I’ve learned the hard way. It leads down a dark path.

if making millions at a casino playing black jack was normal, they wouldnt make a documentary about it.

I'd say go out and do it then, if you have the skillset.

Are these documentaries from the past 5-10 years?

It's a function of bankroll and time, so not completely time limited. You'll get like 1-2% expected return on your bankroll, per hand, if you can robotically execute blackjack hand after hand with very nearly no mistakes.

I have no experience with any of that stuff. Depends on how much the house is willing to lose. It hurts their rep to kick people out for winning so they dont like to do it, but its their right to do that. They can tell you you are no longer welcome to play blackjack. ive heard of that happening to people. Other games are ok, but they cant play blackjack there anymore.

Oh I forgot to also mention that the bankroll part of the time-bankroll function is limited by table bet limits and pit bosses that will boot you before you can actually execute on too many big plays

Yah but dealers are all trained to count cards and they beat average people over the long run. I guess in the short run you can win though

Why would dealers be trained to count cards? Dealers make no decision regarding their hand in a game of blackjack. We at least agree on that right? Ergo, the dealer has no reason to keep count. There's just a natural house edg.

dealers dont have a strategy. they usually follow the rules of having to hold once they reach 17 or higher. and they have to keep drawing until they hit 17.

No, the doc I saw was a team of MIT students that went to Vegas and won millions but then got busted or something. It's definitely not normal but there are big brain players who use this system and make millions. One person that comes to mind is UFC president Dana White.

>he doc I saw was a team of MIT students that went to Vegas and won millions

Ya...want to know why all those MIT students are doing something else with their lives instead of counting paper? The whole casino industry tightened up after discovering that.

They made so much because they were out there doing it at scale before the changes. Read my earlier post where I note that "it looked like the best era to play full time had passed" as a reason why I'm not big on card counting as a skill in 2020.

I might try but I have to do more research on it. The doc I watched was more then 10 years old. And yah, you need a pretty good bankroll to start

Because there's no edge in blackjack, that's why they're trained to count cards. And no, they don't make any decisions on their own, but they're obviously trained to extract as much cash from you as possible

Are you sure they don't know how to count cards? There's no way blackjack is 50/50. I also remember talking to this girl that worked in a casino a long time ago. She was a dealer and told me that all the blackjack dealers knew how to count cards.

Yah true, Vegas did tighten up after that

counting cards is just keeping track of whats left in the deck. dealers dont play against the players, though. they draw to 17 and hold at 17 or higher. every hand.

Ok, so they have no advantage in blackjack?

>Because there's no edge in blackjack,
Sorry. We disagree on a fundamental fact of blackjack. House edge is 0.5% naturally and can be reducted to ~0.18% with perfect basic strategy + some composition-dependent strategy.

Then, with counting you can get the edge back from the house, to the tune of 1-2% IIRC.

You'll want to understand why these numbers are what they are, if you're going to pursue professional blackjack.

>And no, they don't make any decisions on their own
Ok, so why count?

>but they're obviously trained to extract as much cash from you as possible

By doing what? Are they making a choice based off of the count?

the house? they actually have a small disadvantage. BECAUSE they cant adjust their wagering due to what cards are left. players can do that. the house is playing perfectly neutral blackjack. players end up drinking and making sudden huge wagers and lose a whole shitload on one hand. that kind of thing. so the house usually comes out ahead.

>dealers dont play against the players, though. they draw to 17 and hold at 17 or higher. every hand.

This is the dealer algorithm. Blackjack dealers might as well be robots, as someone mentioned. They hit up to a number and then stand.
>Ok, so they have no advantage in blackjack?
They do. Dealers have a hidden card and go last. You can go bust and lose before they have to do anything.