If you think that the Fireflies were incompetent and unable to produce a cure, you're wrong. There's no evidence in the game at all to suggest that their research
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was inconclusive or that they were otherwise unable to produce anything. >b-but what about the fact that a single man killed a whole troop of them So what >b-but what about the fact that one single guy let a group of monkeys bite and infect him So what >b-but what about the fact that they didn't have the numbers or infrastructure to distribute a vaccine or cure They were a nationwide organization that operated in numerous QZs with presumably hundreds of thousands of members, and they've been around as an organization for as long as the outbreak itself, which happened more than 30 years ago at the beginning of TLoU2 >b-but wah wah muh fatherly instincts muh wah wah I need to rationalize my selfishness Say whatever you want, writhe in your own filth, but you can't say that they wouldn't have produced a cure. They would have. Just accept it and come up with a better argument already. You're pathetic.
Maybe, I'm not here to argue over the efficacy of the story's premise and scenarios, I'm just saying that this is the only shred of evidence in the game that asserts anything about the potentiality of a cure, and it effectively confirms that they were close to producing one. Well shit, that's fine. As long as people know you're retarded.
Matthew Baker
>they've been around as an organization for as long as the outbreak itself, which happened more than 30 years ago at the beginning of TLoU2 more than 30 years to make a cure and all your hopes land on a single little girl to make a vaccine for a fungus, and for that you need to kill her. antibodies can be farmed from a single person over the course of a lifetime. doesn't require ever killing the person.
Joshua Rogers
There's nothing to say it would've produced anything either. Technology doesn't advance like a video game. You don't dump X amount of resource A into a project to unlock the advancement you want. All that recorder says is they believe it might.
Caleb Rivera
>wishing for miracle to justify all those atrocities and sacrifices means they were competent OP is a fucking retard. Fireflies were incompetent. Marlene lost THE WHOLE FUCKING FIREFLY CREW of city you started in just to get to SLC. >They were a nationwide organization that operated in numerous QZs Nice bullshit pulled out of your ass. >and they've been around as an organization for as long as the outbreak itself, which happened more than 30 years ago at the beginning of TLoU2 Already long time disbanded by the time TLOU 2 started. Again, OP is a fucking retard. Also let's not forget that if by some miracle the made cure it would be 99% useless.
Ayden Morales
And what part of immediately opening Ellie's brain makes sense? They want to replicate something that they don't even understand by any past attempts. If she's a cure, then let her be a constant source of study, not one that immediately kills her AND all her metabolic processes in the first hours or days that Joel even got there. They were incompetent user.
Even not knowing ANY idea what you're doing, you can move into attempted eugenics/pedigree and try to obtain the results from breeding. Again, the Fireflies were retarded.
I remember the surgeon was going to open her brain up as the first fucking choice. And the information you just provided said her MRI shows nothing. What do they plan on "seeing" in her head that will help?
>more than 30 years to make a cure and all your hopes land on a single little girl to make a vaccine for a fungus No. "All your hopes land on a single girl" is a disingenuous interpretation of the events at hand. It would just be another source of data to add to the research. If she failed to produce any breakthrough, they likely would've continued looking for a cure, but with slight more knowledge than before. >There's nothing to say it would've produced anything either Fair enough, but you've no evidence to suggest that this would've been the case. You have an assertion that they're incompetent which hinges on a number of assumptions and that's about it. Shut up, idiot. >They want to replicate something that they don't even understand by any past attempts They understand it to some extent, but you can't say to what extent they do or don't understand it. They've been researching for more than 10 years, they know something about it at this point. >attempted eugenics Who's to say they couldn't have preserved her womb and used it to produce children in vitro? >the information you just provided said her MRI shows nothing. What do they plan on "seeing" in her head that will help? >MRI of the brain shows no evidence of fungal-growth in the limbic regions, which would normally accompany the prodrome of aggression in infected patients It says "in the limbic regions" not that there's no fungal growth period. Way to just gloss over that. k
Luis Bailey
>They were a nationwide organization that operated in numerous QZs with presumably hundreds of thousands of members Then why did joel have to take her across the entire US? don’t tell me abby’s dad was the only person that knew how to reverse engineer a cure
John White
If you need to open somebody's head with a saw in search for answers, in the process killing the only Guinea Pig with the specific conditions you need, I'm sorry, but you're frankenstein style retarded.
A good doctor would at the most make a biopsy to take material for study, but would still let the patient alive and unharmed.
Joel living peacefully in 2's intro proves the cure is a practical placebo, and the fact that most deaths are caused by other humans only reinforces that. the fucking zombies are reduced to barely environmental hazards
Alexander Stewart
>finally get your hands on an extremely rare specimen, possibly the only one you will ever see >kill her immediately yeah they seem very competent
>They were a nationwide organization that operated in numerous QZs with presumably hundreds of thousands of members, and they've been around as an organization for as long as the outbreak itself, which happened more than 30 years ago at the beginning of TLoU2
You say this as if a large decentralized organization is a model of efficiency instead of a mass of factionalism, politicking and incompetence. You know, like how they are in real life
It feels like its getting harder to tell whose actually retarded and whose merely pretending to be retarded
Juan Turner
>Like nothing i've ever seen! >I need to kill her right now and examine this one sample that i can't harvest from her alive or study her physical reactions to tests! She has to die this instant!
Aiden King
The black chick tells you at the beginning that they're picking fights with the military and losing and then at the end that most of her men are dead and Tommy left them for a reason. They are fucking idiots and not to be trusted.
OP clearly a Firefly
Caleb Nguyen
>not understanding that scientific inquiry is a process of induction, requiring the gathering of as much data instances as possible in order to be reliable whatsoever It would be completely retarded to think that they could just obtain the cure with a single sample of her brain tissue or whatever. They would need many more samples to actually make any reliable inferences from their findings. The fireflies were never gonna make it.
Grayson Johnson
Marlene's forces were being driven back by the military in Boston, and she made the rash decision to entrust Ellie to HJoel and Tess. They were supposed to escort her to a rendezvous and hand her off to a larger platoon of Fireflies. The group they were supposed to meet got destroyed, so they pressed onward not knowing exactly what to do with her while being chased by military personnel who wanted to capture or kill them. You're just assuming that their methods weren't sound based on what you think you know about "proper methods". You have no way of measuring just how competent and knowledgeable their researchers were, and you're trying to write them off based on those assumptions. The point is that, assuming they could produce a cure, at the very least distribution wouldn't be that much of a problem, because they already have an established network of people all over the country who could follow through with the execution. Why wouldn't they do that, even if they're decentralized? A cure's a cure, and even if one group of Fireflies use it to extort, or bribe, or appoint themselves like dictators for their own personal gain, it's still true that the cure would've been going through more than one channel of distribution, and would likely spread all over the god damn place, regardless of the methods involved. Hell, maybe some Hunters or military guys could raid a Firefly stronghold and take the cure for themselves. At that point the goal of creating a cure would've been met.
Alexander Stewart
You are an absolute retard, and this is not an assumption, but reality. Just like saying the fireflies were retarded for not just making a biopsy and instead sacrificing the ONLY OBJECT OF STUDY THEY HAD without properly knowing what they were even looking for. It is just obvious they are
Nigger, biopsy, do you know what a biopsy is? When doctors real doctors, not butchers like Abby's father don't know what you have, or the nature of some mass in your brain, they take a small sample that won't affect the organ, in order to study without killing you.
You are trying too hard to defend their shit. Killing Ellie was just a moronic idea
>It would be completely retarded to think that they could just obtain the cure with a single sample of her brain tissue or whatever. They would need many more samples to actually make any reliable inferences from their findings. Well, you start with one and move onward. Additionally, we don't know how many other specimens share similarities with Ellie, and we don't know how many people end up acquiring an "immunity" like Ellie did. For all we know, she really was just a number of subjects who shared similar traits and she was just one more to add to that pile. The game doesn't really explain, it just postures her as a high priority target for the Fireflies.
Beyond all the postulation, you can argue that Neil Druckmann is a hack writer who didn't think everything through entirely. I've got no problem with that and I won't sit here and argue that there isn't the possibility that they wouldn't have failed, but your assertions are not based on anything more than speculation, which is shit. If the game says that they were close to producing a cure, they were close to producing a cure. People just want to use this argument to try and avoid considering the moral implications of Joel's actions, which is gay. If you would've doomed humanity to save your daughter, then just fucking say that. Quit trying to rationalize it. Fucking Christ.
Ian Green
If the fireflies arent retards and the research was so detailed and sound then why does abby and her group not even know who ellie even fucking was and did not attempt to re-capture her to finish the cure?
Grayson Bennett
>hurr it's just obvious that they're big stupid dumdum! >hurr they didn't know nothing bout the stuff in her body!!11!11 this was the very first body they'd even tried to slice up evar!!1!1!! No, dipshit.
