Should smt 3 nocturne really be considered part of the smt series...

Should smt 3 nocturne really be considered part of the smt series? The themes and mood is not aligned with smt 4 and 5 at all. It feels more like a beta test to smt 4 than an actual game to me. The characters are extremely shallow, the dungeon design sucks ass and the story makes no sense at all lmao

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Garbage start to an SMT thread OP, you should talk more about SACRIFICING THE SON OF HEAVEN

Nocturne's reasons are way better then the generic SMT alignments.

this reads like you haven't even played smtv

>this reads like you haven't even played smtv
>smtv
Have you, user? Are you from the future?

Is this a bait about thinking persona games are mainline?

raidou > dante from the devil may cry series

i've already gotten the true angel ending twice
has it not been localized for you yet?

>true angel
You really let Yuri die twice! The dude has your back for the whole fucking game and you don’t even back him up against Saichi’s fucking anarchoprim ape gang?

calm down, i forked my saves to get the deincarnation ending the first time, and yuri's second route the time after that

>Dante doesn't have Pierce
What the fuck were they thinking?

Not sure if you know, Chronicle version was translated. Also, just toss pierce on Dante WITH CHEATING!.

retard.

Amazing game

Shit thread

Why no option to save the manikins from turbocunt?

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>tfw you finally broke through the casual filter that is Matador after wasting 3 bead chains
>lol the rest of the game is even more bullshit
Why is the compendium so fucking expensive bros? Fusion is the only way to survive in this game and it's the hardest thing to do because of the horrid EXP rates and RNG demon recruitment.

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But then you won't get the Baal boss fight.

It gets better my man. I remember it becoming easier right after Ikebukuro, and halfway through the game you are pretty much invincible if you build your party right.

what difficulty are you on?

>Why is the compendium so fucking expensive bros
>Fusion is the only way to survive in this game

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This is my first SMT game so I'm sorry for being a casual.

if you're on normal, once you really get the hang of things you'll be able to swooce right through a lot of the fights

why was the demi-fiend friends with those assholes in the first place? they seemed like retards even before the conception. and why does he still hang with them in the freedom ending, did he lose his memories of the vortex world?

>Be me, teenager
>get persona 4 for christmas for some reason
>game's hard but I enjoy the shit out of it
>buy persona 3
>game's even harder enjoy the shit out of it
>buy Nocturne
>can't even beat one of the first few bosses

The game legitimately kicked my ass. I really need to give it another go now that I'm older.

This game is overrated as fuck. The fact that freeing Lucifer forces you to fight him has to be the most retarded decision in the series. I’m freeing him because I want to join him, while else would I grind through that shit show? What the fuck where they thinking? Did they seriously not consider that some people want to free Lucifer and serve him? When I found out I had to fight him I shut the game off and never touched it again. I spent hours trying to free him because I would get a cool cutscene or something but nope fight him because it makes total sense to spend hours upon hours freeing the most dangerous and evil monster with the intention of fighting him at the end. Seriously the only reason why I would go through that length to free somebody is because I’m on their side. Overrated game. Nothing more

Shut up bitch

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Are you retarded? Lucifer spells out why he wants to fight you. It's his final test for you to prove yourself as a worthy servant. If you succeed in bloodying his nose, Lucifer praises how strong you've become, transforms you the rest of the way into a true demon, and makes you his top general in the war against Heaven.

I didn’t actually know this. I just turned it off after I found out I had to fight him

>Nocturne uses the alignment system to determine which doors you can open in the optional dungeon halfway through the game
>it's tied to your fucking magatama mastery
What the fuck? The game is essentially telling me "don't master too many magatama at once lol or lock yourself out of a bunch of shopkeepers because you can't karma switch"

I know this is a shit post and a spiff on the Persona 3 thread BUT you actually have a point. SMT 3 is FUCKING WEIRD and basically ditched the core aspect of the series to explore the idea of 'reasons' instead of the eternal battle of Law vs Chaos. Sure later versions tried to shoe-horn it back in with the true demon ending but it's still very very different.

Finish the game dickhead

Makes it much harder to open those doors than it needs to be, yes. Is there a cheat for changing your alignment?

>the dungeon design sucks ass

SMTIV dungeon's are a lot better since they cut through stupid puzzle crap, but I didn't mind that in the Labyrinth of Amala.

desu Persona 5's dungeons run circles around SMT though.

That is the general plot of the entire game and why you were turned into a demidemon. Lucifer wanted to see if it was possible for a demon to train to become stronger and what it would take to make this happen, so he set you up on the candelabra fetch quest to watch your progress while he recorded data on you.

Most of the endings literally do not matter to Lucifer, including the Law endings. If you choose those he just takes the data he recorded on you, satisfied, and leaves for another world to make one of his own minions go through the same thing you did to make that into his new enforcer. If you choose Freedom he praises you for doing what he did in choosing your own path. However, if you choose True Demon, then he's ecstatic that not only was his experiment a success, but the very person he experimented on is the very enforcer he was seeking to create, and he doesn't need to go raise another demon, he can just start the war now.

Reminder that True Demon was added later so it actually wasn't the original point. Lucifer was just decided to spice things up a bit for no real reason.

It's Atlus. It was their full intention from the start to release the same game twice

Nah, that has never really been a thing with mainline SMT outside THIS ONE example.

SMTIII Lucifer is truly the best

SMTIV Lucifer is an uncle tom cuck (cute as a schoolgirl though).

Actually SMT 2 luficer is the real best Lucifer since he's straight up an alley and actually helps you BTFO god once and for all.