It would be better for Solid to have the "don't change the world for any reason" philosophy if it was fully his instead...

She never tried to make herself appear like that though. She was just a lady doing her job. The whole reason things gone to shit was because other people thought too highly of her and tried to emulate her instead of living by their own standards. The Boss was very flawed, but everyone ignored that. Peacewalker was Big Boss realizing that at the end and then using her message out of pure spite for her choosing duty over her protege.

>same voice actor
Ok this is actually pretty epic

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>Peacewalker was Big Boss realizing that at the end and then using her message out of pure spite for her choosing duty over her protege.
How the fuck he managed to misintrepret her will as "world of soldiers" at the end of MGS3 and then misinterpret her will yet again as "WOW she choosed her duty over me, she clearly must have meant world peace, she wanted me to drop the guns" in Peace Walker is baffling. Like, seriously. He was an ultimate retard.

Doesn't help that Venom carried over the same mistake that Big Boss made in interpreting her will in PW, and, differently but equally as worse, embraced that misinterpretation and thus unfortunately implicatedly, fuck you Kojimami, no MG1 remakes ever went crazy because of it.

Fuck off cancer

Who are you quoting?

Because he didn't misinterpret it, he REMADE it into something he wanted. Peacewalker focuses a lot on his issues with having to kill the boss. He couldn't forgive the world for doing it, so he did the most spiteful thing he could then used the Boss as a message to hide behind. He then eventually grows to resent her too and doubles down on his goals. The message remains as a bible to trick people into joining his cause, same for Cipher and the Patriots.

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>Because he didn't misinterpret it, he REMADE it into something he wanted.
"Don't change the world," what her will actually was, isn't "let's drop all the guns and live a civil life," which was what Big Boss thought it was in PW though

Or are you saying the same thing that I am and we're just expressing it differently?

I think he's trying to say he misinterpreted it again in PW but this time on purpose, to trick people to joining his cause for "large scale military nation complex to take over the economic quo," instead of being genuinely stupid.

Yeah, that's basically what I meant.

Metal Gear past the second MSX game was a mistake

I would also like to add that the phrase "Let the World be." is very ambiguous. We can argue "what is the natural state of the world?" was what Zero(Major Tom) was thinking about on the phrase. He acknowledged that governments are an inescapable fact of life. But they're incredibly flawed from communism to capitalism with a guarantee of corruption. So he went with AI and technology which he had a naive faith in to create a perfect government. For the phrase "let the world be", Zero believed that the government should be the ones to learn that message.

For Big Boss, he was mostly going with the flow at first before he broke off with Zero. When he was doing this, it wasn't to carry the Bosses true message, so much as it was to stop Zero. Eventually the message carried with Big Boss despite only having a minimal interest in it. By the end of Peacewalker however, when he understood what was getting to him with his ptsd episodes, he finally admitted that he was envious that the boss choose to do what she did. And out of anger, he wanted to tell the world to fuck off. Eventually that morphed into big bosses interpretation that the natural state of the world was warfare. Humans are inherently violent. Whether Big Boss believed in this or not becomes irrelevant as eventually it was purely out of spite for everyone who wronged him (government for making him kill his teacher, his friends for abandoning him for Cipher, and his teacher for putting him through this torture).

What does that

The natural state of the world is where it's at a cycle of war and peace. In short, where the battlefield controls itself and is thus unstable, instead of people trying to control it and stabilize it into what they want it to be.

A world where there is entirely war is bad, and a world that's at world peace is bad and has the possibility of hypocritically elapsing into a state where there's entirely war.

MGS is revolved around a horseshoe where both ends are war and the center is "libertarianism" instead of "centrism."

Still sad there isn't a MGS game with Snake & Otacon pre-tanker-incident (on the creation of Philanthropy and such), I always preferred their codec calls in MGS2 (what exists of it) over any codec call in the franchise

This confirms that Solid Snake is a SMT Neutralfag.

The Boss' philosophy was be a professional soldier and do as a soldier should do, follow orders, even if those orders mean killing friends or aiding former enemies. Her ideal was basically that the world is an ever changing climate politically and that allies and enemies are constantly changing and in a soldier's lifetime they may see that happen many times and they should not get hung up on this.
Basically, don't hold grudges because you are a professional soldier and it is not your place to determine the next battlefield only to fight in it.

Bringing the world to complete peace was Zero's interpretation of this.
Making a nation of soldiers not bound to any one country was Big Boss' interpretation of this.
Erasing large common languages (starting with English) and giving everyone nukes to point at each other was SkullFace's interpretation of this for full on MAD and people sinking back into their native tongues and then native collectives.

All of these people got it all wrong as they were producing means to an end when in reality what Solid Snake acquired in the "Let the world be" philosophy is not exactly a complete interpretation of The Boss' philosophy either because Solid Snake also separated himself from his country when he started doing the Philantrophy project with Otacon.

So basically every single fucking person failed to meet "The Boss" at what she actually fucking meant. Which is fine because what she meant wasn't all that bright either. Solid Snake is the true hero of the series because he ultimately fights for what is best for the entire world. This starts with trying to expose metal gears (MGS2) and finally ends up with destroying the patriot AIs which have created this "controlled war" hell that the entire world is plunged in. He "lets the world be" by stripping away systems of control over the world.

I'll never understand why everyone keeps thinking The Boss had something bigger and grander in mind like world peace or whatever.

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The character writing of Metal Gear Solid is awful past MG 1&2 and MGS 1.

You are wasting your time.

Whistleblowers are heroes through and through is the message I get from most wargames that are critical of it. Front Missions entire 5 games usually end up with the same message.

(rewording to be more elaborate)
The natural state of the world is where it's at a cycle of war and peace, and political rest and political unrest. In short, where the battlefield and the government controls itself and is thus unstable, instead of people trying to control them and stabilize them into their own vision.

Both Big Boss's "the human's natural state is warfare," Venom's "the human's natural state is peace," and Zero's "the human's natural state is under government" all have points despite that being contradictory

So if there isnt anything wrong with their ideology, what made them antagonizing/evil in the end then? Their methodologies that they eventually developed to pursuit their ideologies.
They all at some point made the fallacy that "struggling to survive the present" times is futile and that control is the better, easier option. Big Boss made such a fallacy when he got crushed by Skullface, Venom made such a fallacy in the secret ending (it is never explained how he came to it but we can surely imply it's from all the shit he's been through in the game), Zero made such a fallacy out of losing faith in humans (who dominated the present times), and Solidus and Liquid pretty much formulated such a fallacy ever since birth.

A world where there is entirely war is bad, and a world that's is under world peace and/or a government of one standard, one code and one way of civilization is bad and has the possibility of hypocritically elapsing into a state where there's entirely war (See what happened to The Patriots with how they eventually turned to having a War Economy to maintain order/cash flow.)

MGS is revolved around a horseshoe. Both ends despite seemingly having different labels are in actuality the same, theyll result in the same thing ("world united under authoritarian dystopia with war as it's economy one way or another")
However, unlike typical horseshoes, the center, where "everything is fine," is libertarianism instead of centrism.

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>all have points despite that being contradictory
I had to crunch the post down and I didn't notice this error, oops. Should be
>despite that they're all contradictory/nothing alike*

So is Zig Forums big boss or Zero?

My POV is that their end result (had they succeeded controlling the world to pursuit their ideology) would be the same tyrannical dystopia, so both.