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Christian propaganda: The game
Noah Hughes
Brandon Rivera
It is?
I will now buy your game.
Aiden Hill
and?
Luke Garcia
technically, believing satan is an affirmation of the christian mythos
Logan Gutierrez
Don't these games have gods from every religion?
Nathan Hernandez
>Christian propaganda
hardly. Nocturne is different from the others because no YHVH but in most games law is objectively the worst choice you can make
Camden Morales
Sure but they are demons and generally the manifestation of some kind of human desire.
Juan Harris
True.
You have to at least be spirituality or hold a religious view to believe in the existence of demons so I don't know why some people associates SMT with atheism when it's the complete opposite of their beliefs.
Ryan Hall
I don't think anyone associates smt with atheism though
Elijah Brooks
Were the concepts for all the fiends taken from the bible?
Owen Foster
Guessing this was your first SMT game then.
Nicholas Russell
Only way I could see SMT being atheist is as some type of steelmanning the argument by putting exact concepts into practice. Which is why law always sucks, they really need to get better at giving law endings anyone would bother picking.
Carter Price
>Bend over for Lucifer
>Christian game
Brody White
No. Fiends are all just creepy skelly people.
Daisoujou is Buddhist. Hell's Angels are just a biker gang.
Christopher Reed
Yes
Most of them are from Revelations
Jordan Wood
devil survivor 1 had a less terrible law route
Benjamin Cooper
Chaos kinda sucks too, though. A world of chaos is often just raw pain and misery forever until someone eventually starts some sort of order and the cycle continues again. Because eventually, for the purposes of survival and prosperity, people will eventually congregate, form societies and social hierarchies. All Chaos really does is put the world back to square one, but it'll eventually reach the same status quo sooner or later.
Humans are inherently drawn towards stability because stability is necessary for prosperity. As a species, humanity will always strive for prosperity, no matter how many roadblocks there are.
Julian Wright
There is literally nothing wrong with purging sinners and being faithful to God
Blake Fisher
>Punching Lucifer until he sees you as an equal is bending over for him.
are you gay?
Charles Collins
Chaos at least leaves you as one of the most powerful beings in that area and free to do as you want. At worst you can become a king of rubble until someone offs you. But at least there is a chance for the strong to flourish by carving their own path, if the cycle starts again it can be broken again. It sucks but Law rips out your humanity most of the time, or at best puts you under incredibly strict control.
I wonder who's behind this post
Jace Green
Neutral is ultimately better since it's not just a complete reset. There's no point to Chaos. Give it another 2000 years and humanity will pretty much follow the same path as before. Law is just stagnation.
Nathan Jones
Neutral often solves nothing though, you don't even need to give it 2000 years. Usually there is a bit of a shift in the status quo but nothing that will really avoid bloodshed. Neutral can come off like less committed chaos. Sometimes you need a reset and roll the dice on if anything changes.
Christopher Sanchez
>purging sinners
doesn't sound lawful or morally right lawfag. You leaning towards chaotic nature, though I won't disagree, law does have chaos elements as chaos has law elements.
Michael Garcia
That sounds like the logic of a bitch-ass faggot who's dissatisfied with current society but has no power to change anything. Humans will ultimately strive for the same things in the end. Whatever differences there are won't really matter much in the thousands of years to come.
Setting humanity back by a couple thousand years isn't gonna change its nature. We want food, so the one who knows how to make the food will become king. The king's children will inherit his shit. Society will grow. Knowledge will advance. Eventually we'll have large-scale civilizations with functioning governments. Religions will exist once more, because the entire point of religion is to ease our mental burdens and help us find meaning in our painful lives when there otherwise isn't any. Conflict and war will break out. Two thousand years later or less, we'll have large modern cities with skyscrapers. Computers will be re-invented. Any differences between our current society and that hypothetical chaos society will diminish more and more with each passing century. Within ten or twenty thousand years or so, it'll all work out the same way because we all want the same things: food, comfort, convenience, luxury, cultural, social and technological advancement. Society will move forward in a manner that prioritizes these things.
And then what? Some asshole nihilist, god or demon destroys everything again because fuck you, this isn't the Chaos they wanted? The fuck's the point?
Henry Lopez
Based retard
Austin Sullivan
Christ (God really) isn't present and it's exlicitly recognized by Atlus.
YHVH is a purely Jewish representation. He's the one imagined by hebrews massacring the prophets.
Te game isn't pro or anti Christian. It is however anti-Jewish.
Josiah Nelson
>That sounds like the logic of a bitch-ass faggot who's dissatisfied with current society but has no power to change anything
someone is a bit triggered lmao, calm the fuck down
>Humans will ultimately strive for the same things in the end
Neutral is kicking that can down the road. Plus no similar needs doesn't means similar civilisations, our world already proves that similar (and often very different) goals can be achieved in different ways. Your whole diatribe was pointless. To over simplify conflict to such a degree is ridiculous, how they are fought and how that changes society matter a fuck load. Dropping a nuke on someone has a couple different long term effects compared to trench warfare. Society isn't some perfect clockwork system with the same outcomes unless you speak in vague you'll have religions. Cause you know religions aren't different from each other at all.
>Whatever differences there are won't really matter much in the thousands of years to come.
But it does, how society is shaped changes how it will grow. A society based on different principles will grow in different ways. Even somewhere like Europe which relatively have more similar cultures result in vastly different outcomes. Whole fucking point of Law is without some level of enforcement humanity is going to keep trying weird shit.
>Some asshole nihilist, god or demon destroys everything again because fuck you, this isn't the Chaos they wanted?
You've literally not avoided this in Neutral, and in Law you will stagnant hoping that there is no crack in the "perfect" system.
Christopher Taylor
>chaosfags is pretty tired after beating everyone until he was the strongest one left
>goes to bed
>gets killed while sleeping
this is the endgame of all "muh wurld of SR"
Jaxon Cook
The point of the Fiends is for Lucifer to train his goon aganist YHVH, he might not appear on the game but he definetly is a plot device.
Oliver Allen
Lawfags are just the cocksleeves of the chaoschads
Thomas Allen
Give it twenty thousand years. Things will probably more or less move forward in the same path, barring any unforeseen consequences. The more things move forward, the more homogenized they'll become. Within a hundred thousand years, assuming humanity isn't extinct, the course of action we take will probably be the same.
Neutral is best. Hitting the reset button every time things don't go someone's way is retarded.
Lincoln Rivera
Sorry Lawfag but you ran out of shitposting credits for this week and this isn't between your allotted internet time. You're going to get thrown in the hole, but don't worry the next scheduled genocide is next week so you have some time to repent
William Reed
but the strongest entities in SMT are from Hinduism?
Robert Wood
Is the same reason as Dark Souls III and the end of Fire, technically it won't be the canonical ending but you will be damned if it isn't the one who makes more sense.
Nathan Garcia
how strong is demi-fiend really? even if he beats lucifer in the last battle he doesn't defeat him, and there are other smt protags that actually defeat luci, except for iv and apocalypse since that wasn't real luci
Brandon Stewart
>but in most games law is objectively the worst choice you can make
Maybe if you somehow have any hope left in humanity. If not, law is the only sane choice.
Christopher Flores
user?