Sandman

All it does is slightly slow down the target

like a 10% movespeed reduction, so slow you can barely even notice

All Scout secondaries went to shit

>Inb4 milk

Literally the only thing that countered being 1 shot by the hunstman reliably, you can't dodge the hitbox and disabling the sniper is your only hope

This. A Sandman to Flying Guillotine kill was super tricky to pull off consistently, and it was pretty rare to encounter in a game, same with getting headshot from super far with the Ambassador, but since a couple YouTubers complained about it, the community made it out to be a super widespread problem, so that's where we're at with those two right now.

>murdered and has it's corpse pissed on
fuck compfags for ruining the fun/unique weapon options for no reason

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I miss playing Loch-Targe-Caber
those were fun times.

why do youtubers have such a heavy say on things? Is it because they have an army of kids to shit on valve constantly?

I would've been fine with a nerf to the stun (for example, allowing you to move a bit faster), but they sucked all the fun out of the sandman and made it completely useless

why.

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SO MUCH MORE AWARE

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Basically. When a couple YouTubers complained about being headshot with the Ambassador, a large portion of the community complained to Valve to nerf it, despite the fact that the weapon had been like that for eight fucking years and was one of the most balanced weapons in the game.

Is there a server that exists that has a lot of the pre nerf weapons?

Using the Loose Cannon to jump across the map, charge into a group of enemies with the Tide Turner, and blow them into giblets with the Caber was the peak demoman experience.

fucking soundsmith, dude. that guy didn't help

Honestly I'd just revert it to it's original statline. As heavy of a penelty as resetting boost on jump is, I'd take it the trash we got today.

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In all fairness, that gun was legitimately broken at its peak. Pop off a few shots from across the map and you reached a speed where your hitbox couldn't keep up with your model with nothing the enemy could really do about it. The downside was negligible too since decent scouts don't really jump that often.

I want to go back, user. Trimping was an artform and was beatiful to see.

i don't even play spy much and this nerf was beyond stupid
why would they do that?

>have a fun gun with a unique mechanic that differentiates it from his other primaries
>remove said mechanic and just make it kinda bad
I still don't get why they did this

TF2 died early on, when they let you start shooting stickybombs.

I used to love this thing on some mario kart server with normal crit rate, surf airaccelerate settings and bunny hopping. Used to be a fuckload of fun with the Crit a Cola just flying around shitting on people who didn't know how to strafe and bunnyhop. Holiday punch was also good to fuck people up with there. Still miss the old pomson and bison. They were a lot of fun to use there and on many community maps. They should at least let their projectiles pass through your own team if they want to keep them in their current shit state.

BY BECOMING THIS

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Literally thought this was called the baby face blaster until now

BY BECOMING THIS

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Holy shit, they killed that poor thing so badly that I completely forgot it existed until you lads mentioned it. Who the hell was complaining about the Righteous fucking Bison, a weapon I saw less frequently than the Mantreads, to the point where they decided to completely gut it? The absolute worst part was them calling it a "bug fix" when there was a loading screen tip that explicitly mentioned it could multihit.

>The Ambassador
>Critical Hits on Headshots (Regardless of Distance)
>-15% Damage
>20% slower firing speed
>30% slower weapons switch speed
>25% slower cloaking/decloaking speed
There, fixed your weapon so it's still good at what it does well making it worse as a backup weapon.

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Spy's primaries were just boring straight upgrades from stock. Nothing of value was lost.

The Luckador™
good netcode not included

>Fix one """bug"""
>Never fix bug where Bison/Wrap projectile hits invisible wall

They changed it because bison projectiles apparently stopped mid-air on spawn doors so as soon as they opened the projectiles would fly in, this would allow you to instakill anyone opening the door

all these were fucking imba broken lol

I miss one shotting scouts with the loch n load. Felt like swatting flies