Why are these three and Banjo still the only truly iconic third parties in Smash? No one asked for Cloud...

so joker is iconic because he got into the game?

Nobody knew who the fuck Richter was before his reveal and the only reason people even considered Simon was because of Vergeben leaks. Simon and Richter never showed up on any of the fan polls and nobody voted for them in the ballot. They're like Terry and Hero, only in the game because Sakurai wants to shill an obscure franchise he likes.

>Nobody knew who the fuck Richter was before his reveal

I hope you mean in the Smash community.

>an obscure franchise he likes.

Again, fuck you.

Joker is in because Sakurai is a Personafag. Banjo is in because the demand for him was so high it was impossible to ignore any longer, and they knew shipping a DLC pass with four gay anime characters and no actual icons would have been a shitshow.

>No one asked for Cloud, Belmonts
want to know how i can tell you weren't around during the brawl days?

Or his first console was an Xbox.

>dragon quest
>castlevania
>obscure
What the fuck is wrong with smash fags

>Dragon Quest is a religion in Japan
Herofags keep saying this but never post any source to back up their claims. Same shit with Terryfags and "but he's totally iconic in Brazil." Remember when third parties had to be iconic everywhere to get in?

>Banjo is in because the demand for him
so geno is iconic?

why don't smash retards play other games? i'd be embarrassed to demand to be considered a fighting game while also not knowing who the fuck terry bogard is

Smash fags don't actually play any games and they live in their own little universe where the DQ protagonist is a literal who and Geno is the most iconic character of all time

Again, nobody asked for them. The popular Smash requests have always been Sonic, Mega-Man, Geno, Crash, Rayman and Phoenix Wright. Belmonts aren't even the most popular Konami rep, that would be Bomberman.
Dragon Quest is obscure as fuck. The only reason Hero's reaction wasn't as bad as Byleth's is because Nintendo brought Banjo and completely overshadowed him.

>Dragon Quest is obscure as fuck
Absolute delusional

If you had said Ryu and Ken you might have a point.

>no one asked for Cloud
Thats a lie, and Banjo isnt even iconic kek

You know Enix had to voluntarily set a law that new DQ games can only be released on weekends because a new entry causes work and school attendance to plummet?

DQ is only obscure in America.

Dragon Quest is just another dime a dozen generic medieval JRPG. There's nothing unique or iconic about it and nobody can name a single character from the series. Every Direct has at least 2 games that could be mistaken for Dragon Quest.
This again? You really need to post a source if you're gonna make claims like this.

Seems like OP has the "If I don't know or care of said characters nobody asked for them" mentality banjo isn't known worldwide compare to mario and sonic

>Simon and Ryu get echoes that nobody asked for
>Sonic couldn't even get Shadow, Tails or Knuckles
I will never fucking forgive Sakurai

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>Dragon Quest is just another dime a dozen generic medieval JRPG. There's nothing unique or iconic about it and nobody can name a single character from the series. Every Direct has at least 2 games that could be mistaken for Dragon Quest.
Again, this is only true in America. Hero was added to please the massive, MASSIVE Japanese Dragon Quest fanbase, which reaches cult-like levels over there.

So nobody is truly iconic unless they are heavily requested for smash a lot like Banjo
I do not see Lara Croft or fucking Tetris requested a lot so that automatically means Banjo is more iconic than them according to your retarded logic

Who the fuck do you want?

As much as I don't like cloud being in the game, you're either a retard zoomer who wasn't around during brawl, or just being ignorant on purpose.
An entire meme/joke around cloud being in smash has been a thing since Brawl.

God how retarded are Smashfags? When the Smash Ballot came out everyone was saying vote for Simon or some shit like that. Castlevania isn't obscure abd Richter got in because Simon used moves from Richter in SotN so they added Richter for bloat. As for Cloud he's the most popular Final Fantasy character. And people have already explained Hero with DQ being a religion in Japan.

Name one character from the Dragon Quest series. An actual character.

they didn't put poll characters so it must mean nobody likes them what kind of logic is this?

>Cloud
>"It's not iconic because I DONT LIKE HIM!!!!!"
Retard

>"In short, yes that is true," said producer Yuu Miyake. He explained that series used to launch on Thursdays no matter what, but back in the early era of Nintendo, it took a long time to produce physically, to manufacture games. Therefore, when launch day hit, there was a limited quantity available and stores would sell out quickly.
>"When Dragon Quest III came out, tons and tons of kids skipped school to go buy the game," Miyake said. "The police actually said, 'You guys need to do something about this. This is not okay.' [This was] back in the era of Enix, and so Dragon Quest started being sold only on Saturdays. Actually, it's the only [series] sold on Saturday."

gameinformer.com/e3-2018/2018/06/13/myth-confirmed-square-enix-talks-selling-dragon-quest-on-school-days

Dragon Quest was the reason you have RPG like Mother and pkm even the fags asking for Geno

Jessica.

>GameInformer
Might as well post Shitaku while you're at it
Nope

>Dragon Quest has become a cultural phenomenon in Japan.[145] According to Ryutaro Ichimura and Yuji Horii, Dragon Quest has become popular enough that it is used as a common topic for conversation in Japan,[146] and is considered by the Japanese gaming industry as Japan's national game.[112] William Cassidy of GameSpy claims that "the common wisdom is that if you ask someone from Japan to draw 'Slime,' he'll draw the onion-like shape of the weak enemies from the game."[104][147] With the Japanese release of Dragon Quest IX in January 2009, a new eatery inspired by the series called Luida's Bar was opened in Roppongi, a well-known nightlife hotspot in Minato, Tokyo. This was notable due to the usual center of Tokyo's gaming culture being Akihabara rather than Roppongi. The venue provides a meeting location for fans of the series: styled in the fashion of a Medieval public house like its virtual counterpart, its food is directly inspired by both items and monsters found in the games. It was described by a Western journalist as a cross between a Disneyland resort and a maid café[

I don't remember that at all. I remember lots of K Rool, Banjo, Waddle Dee, Ridley, Shantae, Rayman, Shovel Knight, Phoenix Wright and Geno but no Simon campaigning.

That makes you just as bad as your only fighting game experience is nuStreet Fighter.

>Ryu and Cloud are less iconic than Banjo
kys

good to know this thread is just bait have fun

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>we'd just play traditional fighters.
Rosterfags don't play games.

>Sakurai wants to shill an obscure franchise he likes.
Holy fucking based

No one really pushed for Castlevania because either
A) the franchise is so loved and iconic that its inclusion was a question of "when" not "if" and
B) Konami has gone to shit and everyone assumed they'd say "no" anyway

switch your grudge to sega they were the ones playing hardball during brawl and causing that delay to get him added
wouldn't be at all surprised if they're still blocking new fighters
nobody asked for richter? lmao that's a new one

You don't have to play fighting games to know who Ryu and Ken are. Even if you've never touched a Street Fighter game in your life, you know the karate dudes with the energy blasts and spin kicks. Terry is just a commercial like Hero and Byleth.

>wouldn't be at all surprised if they're still blocking new fighters
What about Joker?

Why did you reply to me?

>The franchise is so loved and iconic

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PacMan and Sonic are the only two who fit the definition of iconic

Erdrick is more Iconic then all 4 of those.

Bayo is also a SEGA character, this guy’s full of shit. All Sonicfags have a really bad persecution complex about the evil Japanese higher ups keeping their small indie franchise down.