"I fight for the men I've held in my arms, dying on foreign soil. I fight for their wives and children...

>"I fight for the men I've held in my arms, dying on foreign soil. I fight for their wives and children, names I heard whispered in their last breaths. I fight for we few who did come home, only to find our country full of strangers wearing familiar faces. I fight for my people impoverished to pay the debts of an Empire too weak to rule them, yet brands them criminals for wanting to rule themselves! I fight so that all the fighting I've already done hasn't been for nothing. I fight... because I must."
How can anyone pick the TOG (Thalmor Occupied Goverment) """Empire""" after that?

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He fights for an idea that doesn't exist. Nations and provinces are arbitrary concepts.

Does he actually wear the Jagged Crown if you side with the Stormcloaks? Or is it just a mod?

Because every npc in TES 5 is flavorless because of budget voice acting and animations. So I'd rather simp for Empire booty than a Nord, which for reminder, doesn't even fucking tell us if he ever wins against the Thalmor.

It's not because something is arbitrary that it isn't preferable to another arbitrary thing.

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>muh spook
Free will and sentience are a spook, therefore, you should kill yourself ASAP.

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because i always play an altmer supremist

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see

TES lore is rich, the dumb game designers don't let it flow into the game though. You'll have to read the ingame books. They should hire some dudes from CDPR, they know how to create an organic world. you barely notice that there's a was in TES V

Kino, thanks for the share.

Ulfric is literally a Thalmor pawn
>gets kidnapped and tortured by the Thalmor
>released
>"THE EMPIRE IS BAD, THEY'RE LETTING THE THALMOR ROAM ALL OVER THE LANDS TO SNUFF OUT TALOS WORSHIP!"
>ends up creating a civil war that weakens the Empire
But the Thalmor didn't address you
>if you side with the Empire the Empire will get renewed enough for a second fight
>if you side with the Stormcloaks the Thalmor will have to deal with an entire nation whose ancestry lies in the genocide of elves

The reason Ulfric rebels is because he helped the Empire kick the Forsworn out of Markarth and then they arrested him for worshipping Talos. It's entirely justified.

Talos worship is barely even enforced, look at Whiterun and how there's a worshiper out in the middle, they only lightly enforce it to not breach the Thalmor agreement

see

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>if you side with the Stormcloaks the Thalmor will have to deal with an entire nation whose ancestry lies in the genocide of elves

If the Stormcloaks win, Thalmor wins, simple as. An Empire divided could easily fall to the Aldmeri Dominion if they don't have Redguards or Nords to help. The Dominion have no business attacking Redguards anymore, and neither do the Nords. The fuckers would sit there in their countries defending themselves meanwhile the Dominion would be attacking the remaining towers and reality would be fucking done. But hey, they at least defended themselves like a bunch of selfish niggers while all the other races still in the Empire have to fight to keep reality existing. I highly doubt they would lend aid to the Empire after being so hellbent of separating and rebelling.

I'd say "useful idiot" instead of pawn. Either Ulfric is too dim to see the big picture or he doesn't care out of ambition and greed.

t.thalmor

>stormcloaks win
>the empire is forced to fuck off and it's one less province they need to waste resources on in an attempt to pretend to be retarded for the sake of the white-gold concordat
>stormcloaks lose
>empire continues to shit on skyrim creating greater animosity and imperials will forever be known as the cuck race

You're ridiculously small-minded. You're comparing something borne from free will/sentience to actual free will/sentience.

Because i play High Elf and support the Aldmeri Dominion.

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Why the fuck is this information so out of the way to find? I do not remember much mention of any of the finer details of this post other than the major plot points (Ulfric killing the high king with shouts, etc). I legitimately think TES lore is pretty cool but they never incorporate it in the game in a way that makes it impactful.

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because as the games go on elder scrolls and fallout games become wider and shallower
anything besides the most basic details won't even be in side dialogue choices and its mostly from books nobody reads and amalgamated information of the series not the individual game itself

Was pretty hard to sympathize with him when he was an unrepentant murderer.

>I fight
>Throws in the towel as soon as things get dangerous
>Gets captured like a true nord hero

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>put him in jail where he will be alive and allowed to continue doing his thing, with shelter and fed because his house was fuckin' destroyed

This isn't a bad thing. The Imperials are still keeping to their agreement this way. If they actually gave a fuck they'd have him executed.