Are people that peddle self improvement just examples of survivorship bias?

Are people that peddle self improvement just examples of survivorship bias?

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yes I tried self-improvement and know losers IRL who tried it but it didn't work and it just isn't for some poeple

Rubbish will always be rubbish, no matter how much you polish it. Some people just are meant to be losers I guess. The flying spaghetti monster is cruel.

Women don't care about anything you can improve other than status. Anyone can get status but not everyone can get status.

no, you're retarded
survivors of what? not being too lazy to just give up?
you're looking at self improvement the wrong way, if you just do random things people on the internet tell you to do because it's good or the right thing to do or whatever then you're doing it wrong

people "peddling" it, trying to sell you books or courses or consultations are doing just that, trying to sell you shit

No, you can causatively prove that exercise makes you a happier person under experiments.

Self-improvement is also destruction-avoidance.

I half-ass all of my workouts and diet, so I have a mediocre physique.

HOWEVER, I know that if I just lazed around all day and ate whatever the fuck I wanted, I would be a disease-ridden 300lb ambulocetus.

And I have successfully avoided that.

Translate this into any other form of self-improvement you want.

Probably. The pattern I always see is when you get down to the honest to God goodness of their situations, it 100% of the time in my experiences and discussions turns out they were a normalfag all along and had a supportive network/past history of normal development.

I have not met ONE person suffering my particular circumstances who has either made it out or improved in any significant manner.

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>Women don't care about anything you can improve other than status. Anyone can get status but not everyone can get status.
>Women don't care if you're fit
>Women don't care if you have good hygiene
>Women don't care if you're a positive person
>Women don't care about how interesting you are
More than just that too. Men get boosts to their testosterone iirc from feeling accomplished.

sounds about right. wanna be friends? I'm also unfixable

idk what that means so maybe

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>positive person

fuck off with your brainworms

If you can never stop dwelling on how shitty things are or criticizing everything around you then people won't want to be around you. It's not a brainworm. Functional people don't want to hear you bitch and moan all day. Would you?

I meet all those criteria, fit, hygenic, maybe not interesting though since Im literally friendless.

But that's the problem. People genuinely do not care that I do these things because they are so fucking basic fundamentals. At the end of the day if and when I try to make a discussion with any one, they immediately realize some thing is wrong with me and lack social status, and years of therapy and medicating have not changed this.

no, its quite the opposite actually, those who succeed very often leave this shithole, but those who fail stay here, so it looks like the majority opinion is against improoving

I have mixed feelings about therapy. On one hand it can definitely help, but the practice itself necessitates that the therapist stays in business by having clients. Clients who are cured of their woes won't be coming back and at most will recommend their services. That's not even getting into the issue that there are certainly plenty of situations where no amount of interaction can help(Like in things that biologically rooted and medication may not be a solution for that either). That being said though, how happy are you outside of trying to pursue relationships both platonic and romantic? How much time do you spend doing what you want to do instead of trying to get something that you want?

Considering the general opinion is that r9k is flooded with normalshits I don't think this is accurate. You wouldn't even be able to measure/tally some thing like this.

I value people who dwell within what is true and what is important. You absolutely have brainworms, go jerk off to pastel pillows in bed bath and beyond.

>I value people who dwell within what is true and what is important.
So you're willing to have conversations of nothing but someone complaining to you about how everything in their life sucks? You're a rare breed then. It just sounds like you're dodging my point and defining a positive person as someone who's always positive, happy and never sees the bad in the world.

valuing "positivity" is getting rid of the majority of your mind. You are always deluged with sensory information, you are always deluged with verbal information. The difference between a smart person and a dumb person and indeed a smart person and a cat is the ability to use your capacity for negative thought to cut out what isn't true. I have never met anyone as simultaneously dumb and ignorantly oppressively as the followers of the cult of positivity.

I'm not him, but I find people suffering from depression/bad circumstances tend to be more genuine to talk to.

People who are positive for no blatant reason are extremely annoying. And I find there's some thing about that isn't right or doing the unfortunate any honors by acting like that when they really shouldn't be.

That said obviously going into a brand new meeting depressed or angry will guarantee that person will never talk to you again.

>valuing "positivity" is getting rid of the majority of your mind. You are always deluged with sensory information, you are always deluged with verbal information.
I would say that you're looking at the mind as something too spiritual. Being more positive doesn't suddenly make you less intelligent. Although it's true that more intelligent people are more critical(and thus negative) about the world and systems within it, this is not because intelligence is reliant on negativity or that negativity promotes intelligence. Intelligent people simply can identify and protest about problems in their environment and can follow causal threads to their more harsh conclusions.
>The difference between a smart person and a dumb person and indeed a smart person and a cat is the ability to use your capacity for negative thought to cut out what isn't true.
I disagree. You can be positive without lacking critical thinking or without being skeptical. I feel as though you are construing your observations of positivity from both the less intelligent and from people you dislike and are using that to form your views on intelligence and reason.
>I have never met anyone as simultaneously dumb and ignorantly oppressively as the followers of the cult of positivity.
Anyone who blindly follows, regardless of how positive or negative they are is likely someone with a weak mind. I think I know what you mean by "the cult of positivity" though. You're talking about the preachy, upbeat kind of people who can't & don't empathize with people who've had trauma and hardships in their life, right? Am I off?
>I'm not him, but I find people suffering from depression/bad circumstances tend to be more genuine to talk to.
They definitely can be, although if you're looking for a relationship with the average woman or a normie then it's a detriment to be too open about your negative opinions or how bad things are for you.
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>People who are positive for no blatant reason are extremely annoying. And I find there's some thing about that isn't right or doing the unfortunate any honors by acting like that when they really shouldn't be.
Well there is something wrong with people like that. Those kinds of people likely have some issue and are also repressing their own hardwired responses in order to fit in better or something along those lines. But that feeling of annoyance and being offput by them applies to normies too. If you think that that kind of person is what a normie is though then I take it(like the vast majority of people here) you haven't gotten to know a lot of people very well. People are more positive in public and polite society specifically to get along in their day, to keep appearances up and because they generally hope and expect that people will be the same to them. An example I can bring up is one I've experienced a few times in my life of people offering rides to someone, that someone accepts, they're pleasant all through the ride and then they drop them off and immediately once the person can no longer hear them they'll complain about how and why they didn't actually want to do that and were hoping the person would decline.
>That said obviously going into a brand new meeting depressed or angry will guarantee that person will never talk to you again.
Yeah, also when the majority of your interactions with someone(Who hasn't had nearly as negative a life as you've had) are negative, then they'll be offput.

>research and experiments says it works
>hmmm it's not me doing something wrong somewhere it just doesn't work

Self-improving to get pussy is absolutely shit. You self-improve to become the person you want to be.

I want to master what I do because it's the only thing that makes me happy, and nothing is going to stop me.

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negativity, meaning contradicting others and seeing what's wrong and needs to be changed is almost the whole of intellect.

are people who deny self improvement just stuck up faggots?

nope, that's people who believe life is a linear game which can be improved and that improvement can be found through societal approval

>self improvement
>requires social situations
what did the retard mean by this?

It's usually people that simply failed to meet their goals. Some times repeatedly.

Success is not a guarantee no matter how committed you are. And unfortunately failure does build up resentment and hopelessness.

Now that I post this I seriously question the level of empathy the average poster here seems to completely lack. Why did I even have to explain this...?