ThinkPad (and Toughbook) thread

I bought a keyboard for my T410. I received it today, it was low tier chinese shit, and it didn't even fit properly.

lol, scammed on eBay with a GPS module. I knew there's no way someone would sell a GPS module for just 7,65€ including free shipping from Austria, all his auctions are removed and the seller was banned from eBay.

Let's hope Paypal will refund my shekels.

laptops are for good goyim. enjoy frying your balls and finger joints with wifi and emfs

$60 ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-X220-Tablet-PC-Intel-Core-I5-2-8GHZ-CPU-Laptop-1GB-Ram-BOOTS/323570292564
$70 ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X230-Tablet-PC-Intel-Core-i5-3320M-2-6GHz-2gb-RAM-Laptop-CZ/323505477831
$100 ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X230-Intel-Core-i5-3320M-2-60GHz-4GB-RAM-320GB-HDD-AC-adapter-/153281579178
$65 ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-Tablet-PC-Intel-Core-i5-2520M-2-5GHz-1gb-RAM-Laptop/323494373524
$70 ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X230-Tablet-PC-Intel-Core-i5-3320M-2-6GHz-2gb-RAM-Laptop-CZ/323505477831

These are ones I would personally buy. If there's an issue you can't fix or a needed upgrade you don't have spare parts of, don't buy it.

for what purpose?

I have an x60 that works fine, except the wireless hardware switch doesn't seem to do anything. I can connect to the internet just fine, but it'd be /comfy/ to be able to flip the switch and unplug on the fly. Any help?

"Lenovo"?

What is it and are they to the same quality as IBM's old machines?

(I don't trust it!)

and I've loaded the kernel module rfkill, it just doesn't seem to be mapped to my hardware switch :/ it could be broken internally for all i know..

Shameless crosspost from the sticky:

I have an x201 and the internet just doesn't work. I've tried ethernet cable, USB wifi adapter (no drivers lol), and swapping out the network card itself (Model 60Y3231, so it can't be due to a bois blacklist, because you can see it's a legit prat here:support.lenovo.com/ca/en/partslookup). What the actual fuck is going on?

Bluetooth works perfectly and can be switched on and off, but nothing from Wifi. Bios has Wifi enabled. It has Windows 7 but I'm about to test a Kubuntu live CD on it too. Any ideas?

conact ebay/paypal support goyim reclam for the juden thiet for your shekels and send a juden email

For some reason the T60/61 dock's DVI-D-1 output isn't available in OpenBSD 6.4 but every other port is (USB, ethernet etc)

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what's everyone's experience with using a thinkpad for school?

my T410 was great for programming and documentation, my x220t made everyone jealous for the tablet

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Stock of genuine parts for older Thinkpads is mostly depleted and what's left on the market are shitty knockoffs.

What if you have some neighbour's wifi signal in your apartment that's even stronger than your own wifi, 24/7, and have no means of turning it off or doing anything really about it?

tinfoil ;^)

Not only that. Do note that all Thinkpads from T61/X61 all the way to T430/X230 are hopelessly vulnerable to the potentially catastrophic SA-00086 ME/AMT bug.
"Disabling" ME by any unofficial method is useless:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#SA-00086
Systems older than T440/X240 were left for dead by Lenovo and won't ever receive a ME firmware update which would patch the vulnerability:
support.lenovo.com/pl/en/product_security/ps500146

How does it feel to peruse a system which inherently and hopelessy CANNOT BE TRUSTED, PERIOD?

I can tolerate some bad aspects of it since like you've said, these parts aren't too available anymore, but the one I've received is very shitty.

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you're fucked but at least you will drastically lower exposure if you dont keep a receiver/transceiver right next to your ballsack all day. this is just yet another reason to avoid cities and especially apartments

tinfoil does help but you cant get a full enclosure and you'd probably make a lot of noise walking around with your balls wrapped up in foil

Isn't there any sort of legislation on how strong a stranger's wifi signal can be within the walls of your home? How to pinpoint the approximate location of the source of the offending signal?

I don't mind the chiclet keyboard. It's all membrane shit anyways.

probably but i doubt they are meaningful

you can probably pinpoint the location of the source with a directional meter, should be able to get one for a couple of hundred bucks. i don't see how that would help you though.

anyways your cellphone is a worse exposure than your neighbours wifi, i'd recommend carrying it in a bag instead of right next to your body, configure it to use 3g in place of 4g, and put it in airplane mode when you're not expecting any calls (and then maybe checking it every hour or so if you're in a position where people need you)

What RSSI levels of a stranger wifi signal in your home would you consider tolerable?

T61-T400 Thinkpads ship with Merom and Penryn Core 2 Duos. ME is located outside the CPU on these microarchitectures and can be completely removed (unofficial HAP/AltMeDisable bit flipping not necessary). Remote exploitation is not possible. Any exploit would require physical access to these machines to re-flash vulnerable firmware, but then exploitation by way of physical access for any device is impossible to mitigate, management engine or not.

I'm looking into a hard drive caddy for the T420s. Are they any different from the other hard drive caddy's available? The listings on ebay don't seem to list the compatibility very well.
ebay.ca/itm/2nd-SATA-Hard-Drive-Caddy-Bay-for-LENOVO-Thinkpad-T420-T430-T520-12-7mm-New/182777747572?hash=item2a8e671874:g:~1EAAOSwAVxZwh7B:rk:7:pf:0
More specifically I guess I'm wondering if this one is compatible with the T420s since it seems to be the cheapest available.

Jesus christ

A few models to or fro, fhat's the difference in the long run? Eventually all non-botnet hardware will become unusable, be it due to inevitable failure or due to other reasons.

got a 15.4" 1680x1050 T61 from ebay
best $30 i ever spent
going to do the bios mod and put in a Core2 Extreme X9100
i also ordered a broken-ish W701ds for $600
that's gonna be my newest project.
my R60 also died, gonna try and frankenpad it

ebay.com/itm/LENOVO-T61-Intel-Core-2-duo-2-00GHz-3GB-LAPTOP-no-hdd-Admin-Password-locked-/233014357132

ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-W701DS-17-LED-Laptop-With-Core-i7-1-60GHz-8GB-RAM-Broken-1TB-HD-/302977782843

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got a 15.4" 1680x1050 T61 from ebay
best $30 i ever spent
going to do the bios mod and put in a Core2 Extreme X9100
i also ordered a broken-ish W701ds for $600
that's gonna be my newest project
my R60 also died, gonna try and frankenpad it

ebay.com/itm/LENOVO-T61-Intel-Core-2-duo-2-00GHz-3GB-LAPTOP-no-hdd-Admin-Password-locked-/233014357132?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137

ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-W701DS-17-LED-Laptop-With-Core-i7-1-60GHz-8GB-RAM-Broken-1TB-HD-/302977782843?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137

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X220t, T410, T61, W530.
Gonna mod the W530 to use the old keyboard. I put CloverOS on it and enabled the nvidia drivers, but KDE is a bitch and fails to use them until I eselect another profile.

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Sauce on leftmost pic?

pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=69029138

Theoretically speaking, how well can you build up an old thinkpad? Enough for serious gaming, 3D rendering, and editing?

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Thinkpads aren't exactly great for that, they're mostly business laptops not gaming/editing rigs.

You can buy a W530 for $200 and put an old keyboard in it, an i7-3940XM (3GHz, 3.9GHz turbo), 32GB ram, and use some eGPU with it for a true patrician mobile workstation that will cost 25% as much as anyone else's shit dual core laptop.

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I don'ẗ konw. Ideally I would want to live in the middle of nowhere, at least a 500 meters away from the closest neighbour, and from the main road, now that 5G is starting to roll out. But that's not realistic for me atm. I'm currently being fried by more networks than I care to count, and I live very close to a 4G tower.

Adding on to this, if you don't want to buy an external gpu; make sure you get the version with a k2000m. It's the most expensive part to upgrade afterhand. don't fuck up like i did

The cheapest listing I can find on ebay is $300, most are closer to $500. Where are you getting W530s for $200?

The last 2 just sold: ebay.com/itm/LENOVO-THINKPAD-W530-15-6-Laptop-Intel-Core-i7-2-60GHz-8GB-RAM-500GB-No-OS-/113386582421?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137

The cheapest one now is $280, but if you lurk ebay for a while and bid on auctions, you can get a lower price.

I'm looking for a very minimalist laptop that's really light. My choices so far boil down to the x60 or the x200. The x60 I've read can be librebooted without needing to crack it open which would be a big plus, but as far as I can tell it's a bit difficult to get one with a core 2 duo inside of it. I'm also having a hard time deciding between whether or not to get the tablet version of either of them. I want the machine to be very light but the idea of maybe learning how to do some basic drawing on a small portable machine is quite enticing.

The massive 1680x1050 laptop i got for $30

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i am the world champion at thinkpads

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I doubt it. I have at least 30, myself.

I have too much laptops myself.

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I know that feel user, when RAM drops in price i'm getting 32GB of 3466 B-Die and a 970 Pro.

Copying some HDD images from my Toughbooks and Toughpads to my external HDD. Damn those enterprise HDDs run hot, especially without active cooling.

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That's 7 degrees C higher than my CPU after 6h of mprime...

There is an error with the Toughbook CF31 microphone when docking under linux. To resolve:

1. Ran this software
sudo apt-get install alsa-tools-guihdajackretask
2. overrode pin 19 to DOCK IN
3. unmuted mic via mixer

Mic tested, works fine at 50% volume.

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CF-31 has a mic? wtf?

Oh wait, dock mic-in port.

Yeap, they don't make laptops like these anymore.

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they make plenty of flimsy plastic craptops with bad screens

only difference is it's not 4:3 anymore.

$65 ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T510-Laptop-Intel-i5-520M-2-4ghz-3gb-Ram-No-HDD-5/273591621745?hash=item3fb354d871:g:sh4AAOSwWeJbfbcP:rk:6:pf:0

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Is there actually a toughbook equivalent to the libre-ness of the older thinkpads, or does one have to trade off insecurity for durability and ergonomics if they get a toughbook?

Bumping for interest

Can't be librebooted though.

A librebooted Intel machine is still more botnet than an AMD machine

Whats a good non-botnet AMD laptop then? I'd like something similar to the x60 in size and weight.

is PSP not a botnet? Seems like there's a lot less concrete info on AMD's psp than Intel's ME(confirmed running Minix with network stack and JVM etc)

All of these low-tier AMD machines were released before 2013 (PSP)

ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=thinkpad amd&_sacat=0&_sop=15

Intel chips have integrated 3G modems and new hardware vulnerabilities are discovered every month. PSP is a small fry in comparison

Which work without a SIM card? Who is the carrier who facilitates the supposed connectivity? Also

Yes, because Spectre will stick its stick up yo ass no matter what if you're on any x86-compatible system that is newer that the Pentium MMX 233 MHz.

You don't need a sim card to communicate with phone towers. 911 calls work, remember? Every Core 2 Duo CPU and later has the on-die 3G chip.

theregister.co.uk/2013/09/23/intel_stuns_world_with_wakeon3g/
news.softpedia.com/news/Secret-3G-Radio-in-Every-Intel-vPro-CPU-Could-Steal-Your-Ideas-at-Any-Time-385194.shtml

I think a pre-PSP AMD machine is more secure than a Librebooted Intel machine.

Wat? Core 2 is 3G botnet? So what shoud one use , a Pentium 4 housefire? Scratch that, it has HT so it's cucked by PortSmash. Pentium III it is then, with Meltdown patches slowed to Pentium II tier speeds? Or, as said, grab a Pentium MMX 233 while you're at it to be rid of all botnet including Spectre?

I'm comfy with my FX-8350

So you can essentially just buy a thinkpad with a pre-2013 AMD chip in it and not need to even libreboot it to avoid the botnet? Most of these seem to have shitty looking keyboards though.

The BIOS is technically still proprietary unless there's a Coreboot for them. But I think Intel hardware vulns are more of a risk than proprietary firmware (unless Linux has 100% fixed everything)

So all mobile network carriers all over the world have a secret contract with Intel and assorted cianogs to carry and route covert 3G traffic to and from Intel CPUs all over the world?

Yes.

It'd be funny if someone does a Linux 4.20+ benchmark featuring Intel vs a machine from and discovers Intel is now slower then AMD

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...

Linux 4.20 is pozz, you'd got to be stoned to use it

*without a warrant

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Doesn't look like anyone of them have touch screens though.

Sounds more like FUD regarding ME/AMT tbh rather than something concerning the CPUs themselves.

They're pretty good quality. I've had mine for a few years now, some of the plastic has chipped/cracked, and the screen also died (granted, I bought it used and I have no idea how long it was used before me, plus a replacement screen was really cheap, even with the warranty). HDD is starting to show its age, but there's a built-in mSATA port, so I'll just get an SSD around Christmas and slap it in, should boost it's lifespan a bit more.

Biggest problem though are the screws are really soft and are prone to having their heads stripped. It's a fucking nightmare trying to get one of those out.

Other than that, everything is easy to upgrade/replace, I got mine for $120 (which included the docking station, a must-have), nothing wrong with buying it used.

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Thinkpads really aren't meant for that, like says. Light business work mostly.

With that being said, some older-ish games run decent on it (HL2 runs fine, but that's about the only 3D game that I've had run well. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. refused to start at all, and Worms Revolution runs like trash). I've used Sony Vegas a bit on it, and it's OK, I didn't edit anything major on it though.

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Talk me out of getting this T60 QXGA: link.marktplaats.nl/m1351451412

I actually play GTA V on my P50 whenever i'm bored in bed.

Buy a T60 and do it yourself

This. I have no problem using my X220 for Dolphin, PCSX2, MAME, or Stalker in Wine for that matter. The Sandy Bridge iGPU is pretty capable even if it can't pull 60fps.

How do I flash a new bios to my t60 using loonix?

Just replaced the keyboard. BIOS was already flashed, now I have a powerful workstation thinkpad that is light and uses the better keyboard.

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