Old Hardware Thread

Caleb Martin
Caleb Martin

Post your retro/outdated computer stuffs
Discuss old hardware
Discuss uses for old hardware
Post information about old hardware
???
I'll start
imac G5
pic related
old as shit pc that is effectively obsolete
Anons in a previous thread mentioned using it as a home server or by installing some kind of linux on it but the tubes have no information pertaining to this particular model.
Thoughts? Suggestions?

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blog.poettner.de/2013/04/28/installing-debian-on-a-white-imac-g5/
mac.linux.be/content/booting-open-firmware#hard_disk
cnet.com/news/tutorial-installing-classic-over-a-current-mac-os-x-installation/
aliexpress.com/item/cool-fleshlight/32888457329.html
kermitproject.org/archive.html
ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-KX-TA824-Advanced-Hybrid-System-Cabinet-3-Lines-x-8-Station-W-Cover/352536840124
geocities.ws/oldternet/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iPod_models
ppcappstore.wordpress.com/
powerpcsoftware.com/
thepiratebay.org/torrent/15169543/Elpamsoft_SSD_Tweaker_Pro_v3.7.0
archive.org/download/Apple_MacOS_X_Tiger_Install_DVD
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers

Joshua Foster
Joshua Foster

I don't have much space to store stuff, but I have kept hardware for reading old media. VHS, film scanner, Zip, optical, floppy readers, misc flash readers, SCSI and IDE cards, etc. One item I wish I had kept was an Apple floppy drive. I didn't realize at the time it was a different format than standard PC floppies.

Christian Long
Christian Long

What are the brands/names of the equipment you have? This is one of my interests but I want to look for things that will actually work for reading/converting old media.

Dylan Fisher
Dylan Fisher

but the tubes have no information pertaining to this particular model
Debian supports ppc so it should just work. blog.poettner.de/2013/04/28/installing-debian-on-a-white-imac-g5/
imac G5
old as shit pc that is effectively obsolete
2 GHz and 2GB of ram
obsolete
That's still a lot of computing power, certainly enough to do most things you'd want to do. Compared to an Atari ST 1040 I've found on the side of the road along with it's BW CRT and massive 20MB SH205 hard disk. I've managed to boot it up after replacing power supply and changing bad capacitor in the monitor. Too bad it didn't come with the mouse and pressing keys on the keyboard didn't do anything. I need to repair original power supply and make a mouse interface translator with MCU or FPGA. MCU will probably be enough, unless I don't find PS2 mouse and have to implement usb host which is a pain to do. Sure I could just buy pre-made adapter but where is the fun in that? Cleaning it will also probably take some time as the whole board is caked with what looks like cigarette dust. Previous owner also installed a RAM mod by the looks of it.

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Ryder Flores
Ryder Flores

that is a valid point, although my internet is slow as fuck + thick walls make it even slower. I will check out Debian though, its current OS isnt compatible with fucking anything lol.

Now that is fucking cool! how does it smell?

James Martinez
James Martinez

Now that is fucking cool! how does it smell?
Not too bad, monitor smells by far the worst (mixture of burnt/heated dust and burnt electronics). There must be something else wrong with it as the built in speaker is also buzzing constantly. Probably more bad capacitors like pic related that I already replaced.

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Connor Myers
Connor Myers

It looks incredibly dusty, have you tried giving it a good strong can of air? or maybe wipe it gently with a dry paper towel?

Sebastian Wilson
Sebastian Wilson

Yes that that pic is after initial cleaning with air. Dust/grime is sticking really well to the surface so mechanical cleaning is probably the only way. PSU looks disgusting. I'm fairly certain that someone probably had an ashtray on top of the PC.

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Blake Sanders
Blake Sanders

with that much shit on it it's a surprise it didn't short out even more components

also a quick question about the imac, I don't have a USB stick but I do have disks, I tried booting ubuntu onto it with the disk drive thats built in but it doesn't read disks unless its on, which at that point it does nothing in terms of OS setup

Jackson Peterson
Jackson Peterson

old as shit pc that is effectively obsolete
Is it a PPC (usually as in the picture; the webcam model didn't sell well) or x86 (with webcam)? If it's PPC, I'd keep it as-is to run old Mac software; that's why I have mine. On PPC with the "classic mode" Mac OS 9 sandbox, you can run practically anything Basilisk or SheepShaver would but more accurately and without the headaches, lag and whatnot.

For anything else, the old 2 GHz PPC runs slow and hot due to the architecture. It's an early-to-mid P4 in terms of processing power. A 2005 laptop pulled from a trash container will give you better performance for less electricity.

Adam Edwards
Adam Edwards

I tried booting ubuntu
You did use the PPC version? Standard x86_64 iso won't boot no matter what medium you use. mac.linux.be/content/booting-open-firmware#hard_disk You can try even booting over network, but you'll need to set up a TFTP server.

Elijah Long
Elijah Long

It's an oldy, no webcam, 17" screen, do you have any links or resources where I can get basilisk and sheepshaver? I can only find anything relative on the macintoshgarden website but even then I cant figure out how to make them work, I think its running OS X, so its a little more dated than say snow leopard or what have you

Alexander Ross
Alexander Ross

I think you're conflating a few things, correct me if I'm wrong.

Basilisk/SheepShaver: emulators for older (pre-X) Macs that run on Windows/Linux/OS X
OS X: Term that includes both PPC OS X and the newer and current Intel/x86 OS X

The latest OS X for PPC is 10.4 I believe. What exactly are you trying to achieve right now?

Camden Rogers
Camden Rogers

Well at this very moment it has Mac OS X 10.5.8
the processor is 1.8ghz PowerPC G5 with 1gb DDR SDRAM
It is incredibly slow and it is incompatible with many web pages and applications. The only thing I can really think of using it for is 1. emulating old mac games, 2. browsing old BBS/image boards, or 3. installing debian and turning it into a home server, and I know nothing of 1 and 3

Brayden Gomez
Brayden Gomez

am currently running an a6 3650, AMA

Owen Thomas
Owen Thomas

For 1, emulation is unnecessary because Apple provided a way to run a bare metal sandboxed OS 9 within OS X PPC. You just need to get a OS 9 directory in the right place to activate "classic mode" compatibility. You'll have to look up how, I'm phoneposting at the moment. 2 and 3 are doable (I think "Ten Four Fox" is the FF rigged up for PPC) but hardly worth the trouble.

John Ward
John Ward

The tape stuff is all Sony. Film scanner is Nikon. The other stuff is miscellaneous LG/Samsung/Sony/Teac/Adaptec/Iomega. The flash card reader is some generic $20 job I got from BestBuy that reads CF,Sony,MMC, in addition to SD and micro SD.

Jacob Cook
Jacob Cook

For 1, emulation is unnecessary because Apple provided a way to run a bare metal sandboxed OS 9 within OS X PPC
there doesnt seem to be much quality information about this, are there any tutorials or ways I can figure out how to make this work?

Elijah Gonzalez
Elijah Gonzalez

My understanding is that you need to put the OS 9 "System Folder" in the root of your OS X partition. The following site concurs and provides a more detailed how-to: cnet.com/news/tutorial-installing-classic-over-a-current-mac-os-x-installation/

I have a OS X system that's never seen OS 9 so I'll test it out.

Lucas Sanchez
Lucas Sanchez

Wash it with isopropanol, its near impossible trying to get dirt off well without a liquid to help pull it away. And use a small toothbrush as well to get rid of ths gunk. Rinse it again with isopropanol multiple times. Its volatile so ot evaporates fast and leaves no residue, so its better than just water

Jack Gray
Jack Gray

just water
I'm no scientist but i'm pretty sure putting water directly onto/into any electrical device would corrode/fry it. 10/10 Do not recommend

Charles Murphy
Charles Murphy

Distilled water then.

John Smith
John Smith

I think its more along the lines of "conducts electricity" that will fuck with it famalam
since we're on the subject, if you want to use some kind of electronic/computer for an aquatic application (ex; RC boat/submarine) you can waterproof the circuits and cables by putting on a liberal layer of petroleum jelly when I was a kid I took apart my RC boat and the entire circuit board + propeller shafts were covered in a thick layer of the stuff, so it "should" work

Adam Murphy
Adam Murphy

I don't think distilled water is conductive. Besides, even the most conductive material won't do anything if there's no electricity. Just dry it off.

Nicholas Price
Nicholas Price

Often times there is still a charge within the capacitors and that could be enough to make it pop and sizzle

Juan Nelson
Juan Nelson

Never had a problem with that back when I was repairing TVs, VHSs and stereos. They're pretty tough.

David Nguyen
David Nguyen

I have an old FX-8350 build. It's practically an antique.

Christian Reyes
Christian Reyes

Me too. Don't see a reason to upgrade, I even got cheap ECC Ram.

Robert Roberts
Robert Roberts

pics? also how does it run? what are the stats on it?

Andrew Johnson
Andrew Johnson

Should I do it tech? I'll probably rip the guts out to put my hardware in, and use it to run templeOS on real hardware.

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Tyler King
Tyler King

It's on CL for $30.

Zachary Lopez
Zachary Lopez

do it
sounds like good fun + Zig Forums memays + nostalgia

Noah Ramirez
Noah Ramirez

I have so much useless junk accumulated that I've picked up from people throwing them to the curb on trash day. There is no good use for old desktops that can't be done better and more efficiently with a cheap SBC. It's sad really that perfectly good hardware doesn't have a use to anybody. Maybe there's some spic or slav charity I can give it away too. It's probably a waste to give it to Africans.

Aaron Young
Aaron Young

homebrew botnet?
maybe you can configure it in some way like the enigma machines so that in a post-shtf world you can distribute them to trusted people to communicate securely on

Joshua Hill
Joshua Hill

do you any that look like ? I will fly to you and pick it up if so, no joke and no homo

Luis Scott
Luis Scott

i think i’m gonna, i like the look. easy to gut too since it looks like an ATX standard case

Grayson Morris
Grayson Morris

At least you've got PCI slots and might not have to worry about IME, Spectre, and Meltdown.

Gabriel King
Gabriel King

There is no good use for old desktops that can't be done better and more efficiently with a cheap SBC
in all honesty if I had a shitload of old PC's laying around I would probably disassemble them all and try to build a super frankenputer out of them, with several TB from all the stacked HDD with the maximum amount of memory possible and to top it off use any graphics cards to really boost it, and of course use the PSU to the highest degree necessary, the rest I would either sell to like minded individuals online at fair prices or sell for its scrap value (copper, gold, etc)
Thoughts?

Ryder Russell
Ryder Russell

If it's used infrequently enough the power usage doesn't really matter from a cost or environmental perspective.

I gave my grandpa a trashpicked 1st gen Athlon about 10 years ago. He still uses it a couple hours per week to check emails and news, and all I've had to do is replace an old gNewSense install with Debian that whole time. All the peripherals are from his old IBM PS/2 model 30. Performance hasn't been an issue because he hates autoplaying vids and uses NoScript. I should probably show him lynx considering he preferred "the DOS way of things".

Asher Morris
Asher Morris

I spent most of my childhood through college doing this. Just keep it away from your bed if you plan on running at at night and you're golden.

Ethan Fisher
Ethan Fisher

My daily driver is a PDP-11/70 with 4MB RAM, quad RL02s (10MB HDDs), RX02 (dual 8" floppy), and a VT52 terminal. Runs 2.11BSD as god intended, none of this modern Linux or FreeBSD CoCkery.

Daily reminder that your hardware is proprietary if it didn't come with gate-level schematics. Maybe one day I'll upgrade to a VAX...

William Turner
William Turner

I collect stuff partly out of some idea of being a sort of preservationist, but mostly out of a backlash from having nothing as a kid. I didn't have a computer until I was 20 years old, and because of that, I still have that same computer (well, its motherboard) running just fine on the other side of the room. I have a laserdisc player, several S-VHS decks, a decent camcorder, but no Betamax decks, and no CED deck. I have Amiga diskette drives, old external Apple diskette drives, a few 1541 drives, branded tape "drives", and more. My asshole relatives junked my $6000 computer collection under the guise of "helping to load the moving truck", as I couldn't get that day off of work to do it myself, and couldn't afford to keep the truck for too many days. I hate them beyond death. I can't afford to recover any of it, as most of it was picked up by sheer accident. I got a complete Amiga 500 and a BIG box of software from the curb because I took a WRONG TURN dropping someone off at home, and saw the system sticking out of a box on garbage night in that neighborhood. And now it's likely buried in pieces in a landfill. Now I collect guns.
But I digress.
Here are some photos of some of what's left. The system with the brown motherboard was my first computer, though originally it had a much stupider case. Lavender and white.

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Jaxson Ortiz
Jaxson Ortiz

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Grayson Jones
Grayson Jones

And here's some of what I lost.

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Owen Gutierrez
Owen Gutierrez

Is that an ATAPI Zip drive with black bezel? I didn't know they even made them in that color. Nice 5.25" floppy drive too. Looks like a highly useful computer.

Kevin Butler
Kevin Butler

I would have lost my mind if my family this stuff away.

Robert Foster
Robert Foster

proprietary
using freetard language
have a free text post that explains why you are wrong

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Elijah Wright
Elijah Wright

Yeah. I had a few new Zip disks acquired from Walgreens and other random places when they were being dumped as un-sellable junk a long time ago, and when I got a Power Mac G4 Quicksilver for $10 at a rummage sale, I had to get something for my main desktop to match. Can't have a fucking Mac being the only system with a specific type of disk drive. It's unnatural. It may have THE CLICK OF DEATH. I dunno, but for now, I have it disconnected from power to keep it from getting worse. I can replace belts, clean heads, and replace caps, so if it needs some TLC, I'm capable of providing it.

I'm get fucking enraged every goddamn time I think about it. I wouldn't have brought it up now, if I hadn't in another location last night. The worst part? A friend of mine gave me a box of C64 disks that had software, writing, and artwork created by one of his friends who had died in the early nineties. They threw that out too.
I also collect video games. Never mind that stuff in the pile.

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Henry Thompson
Henry Thompson

Nope.

They're all late 90s - 2000s computers, so it's before IME at least.

Even if you built a computer from these using the best parts possible, you would end up with something that's barely usable this decade. There's a method for separating the gold, but I don't know how much you'd get and I'd rather not.

Nobody really wants them, not even kids. They have tablets and phones to do that stuff. Most anything I'd want to use it for would necessarily have to be active most of the time, like a NAS drive, or hosting my own website for the lulz. Only thing I can think of right now, which I might do is built a few machines dedicated to emulating old console games. It's all the rage with normalfags these days, so maybe it'll prevent them from buying the next 'mini' console for 200 dollars.

Brayden Edwards
Brayden Edwards

comrade I am sorry for you, may your new collection protect what remains of the previous

Chase Ortiz
Chase Ortiz

I had to give up almost all of my old computers when I moved. I had a Sawtooth G4 that could boot MacOS9. I saved a Powerbook G4 forgetting it can only do MacOS9 in OSX classic mode. I also got rid of my IDE/Floppy/AGP/ISA motherboards along with my two boxes full of cards. I had boxes stacked to the top of my closet both inside and outside. At least now I can open the closet door to get inside. :^)

Levi Jackson
Levi Jackson

the simple fact along that you collect funs and computer stuffs is enough to assure me that the hive mind exists, tell me user, what do you think of the JQ?

Andrew Russell
Andrew Russell

may your old Zig Forums find rest in robot heaven, sometimes change is good>>1005787

Adrian Scott
Adrian Scott

That's the plan. It is my goal to be able to transcode media and data, and archive it more permanently. Alas, I don't live in an area where rare shit pops up, so it's not like I'll have the source code for unreleased Amiga games or something, but still, it's nice to be able to take files from a disk that nobody else can access, and upload them or put them on a memory card or something. Not that these abilities are ever needed, as most people with ancient computers and disks are dead, and their offspring don't care about that book Grandpa was writing on his Packard Bell, or the poetry great aunt Catherine was working on. Other artifacts in my collection include very old cameras (the kind you likely have to make your own film for), and a shitload of VHS tapes. Also the aforementioned video games.

My Quicksilver could boot OS9, I guess, if I pulled the hard drive that has too high a version of OS X on it to go back, but I would rather have my old iMac back, because I had put OS9 onto it. Still, it was a bit of a boat anchor, and a computer without a built-in monitor is more convenient to lug around, and store. My only spare motherboards have capacitor plague, and aren't capable enough to be of any real use even if I recapped them. I mean, what good is a 1.2GHz computer now? It's not old enough to be period-appropriate for classic games, and not new enough to be super-useful it stuff like dicking around on the web, since Cloudflare blocks older browsers, and backs damn near every site. My closet has about a hundred pounds of old media in it, as it stays cool in winter and summer. I don't dress nicely enough to need a closet for keeping my clothes orderly and wrinkle-free.

𝕳𝖊𝖎𝖑𝖊𝖉!
The Valkyries have smiled upon your post. Let us just say that I have had more than enough poor experiences with being denied home loans for no valid reason (my job letting me pay $50k in rent is not stable enough to pay back a loan of $20k, for a home I would be living in and paying a lower mortgage payment than my current rent is), and I have seen firsthand what forced diversity brings to a large business. Goddamn distress and misery for everybody with an IQ above fever temperature.

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Asher Richardson
Asher Richardson

you and I are one in the same
may the gods smile upon us in the tumultuous years to come and may we have funs, freedom, and all the oldie but goodies tech stuffs imaginable
Gott Mit Uns Bruder!

Brody Cooper
Brody Cooper

I don't necessarily disagree with that article on the whole. I just think that the relevance of the "four freedoms" is diminished by the sheer size and complexity of modern software. In 1986 users were for the most part still expected to be programmers, and it was still possible to understand the entirety of your computer if you took the time to study it. Read the rest of that guy's site and you'll probably come to the conclusion that microprocessors were a mistake.

Ethan Fisher
Ethan Fisher

I didn't get rid of everything, but I did have to prioritize. My computer hardware is down to a 5 shelf edsal rack. My closet has no clothes and is completely full of banker boxes and consoles with decades of various media and games. My NTSC CRT TV set, VHS, and Wii are stacked on my dresser. My brother had no room in his place for some of my dad's old stuff so I have a tube amp and speakers sitting underneath my computer desk with old laptops sitting on top. I can't even put my legs all the way under, but I just cant part with my dad's dynakit.

Parker Myers
Parker Myers

I mean, what good is a 1.2GHz computer now?
For me, it's all about being able to access old media. I have quite a bit of MacOS (not macOS) software that belonged to my dad. Unfortunately MacOS emulators are in a very poor state. To further complicate things, MacOS spanned 68k and PPC.

Mason Clark
Mason Clark

I screencapped most if not all of his posts, I haven't read them all yet but I do agree, it was mentioned that Power PC processors were essentially the peak of high-tech high-security processors, things have now switched to super-tech low-security, at least in the case of "if they wanted to, they could", to my knowledge old PPC processors physically couldn't have a back door, because they were just too simple

Benjamin Hughes
Benjamin Hughes

Hmm, true, I suppose. My main system (the one with all of the disk drives) was built around 2008 or so, and while it's a pain that it's only fit for DDR2 and maxes out at 8GB, it works with a lot of hardware, making it rather useful. I keep forgetting that my system is within the interim category of "not classic" and "not modern". I find myself hunting for mid to late-nineties Macs, not only to replace the ones I had, but to bridge the gap between the newer and older systems. HFS formatting a SCSI HDD for use in a Mac Plus takes a particular set of equipment that I now lack.

Mason James
Mason James

Sorry to see you lost so much of that. With how hard most of those machines are to find in the wild, and with how much the retro reseller bubble has grown it must be painful to try rebuilding that collection.

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Liam White
Liam White

it's an "8 core" processor that is slower than most quadcores

Caleb Morales
Caleb Morales

I have the G4

Ethan Russell
Ethan Russell

All you need is a SCSI PCIE card with the right backward adapter and hfsprogs on Linux. The floppy disks are more of an issue because you can't read them on regular PC floppy drives.

Camden Howard
Camden Howard

Indeed, I'm still angry about it even now, and that happened almost ten years ago. The thing that's really irking me is that in the past five or so years, the price of 3.5" FDDs has skyrocketed. New old stock seems to have completely dried up, and "refurbished" drives ar going for ten times what they used to, if not more. Hard disk drives under 20GB tend to cost a relative mint as well. Everyone on Vogons keeps saying "use a CF card adapter", but that seems like a shit solution for any OS that uses virtual memory.

I'll keep that plan in mind. I was wondering if my PCI SCSI card would work in the G4 Mac I already have, but that sounds like a better idea, as I have a ratty Dell system that would work well enough in hosting it for that purpose.

My current computer inventory:

8 BIT
Atari XE GS that locks up when RETURN is pressed in the BASIC environment. Could be a BASIC ROM issue, but replacing it is likely not going to happen.
Commodore 64c in good shape, but will not be used until a not-shitty power supply is acquired. Multiple BAD Commodore power supplies are in my closet, and each can kill a PLA chip in no time flat. The retard engineers thought it would be a good idea to make a supply that overvolts when it fails, and then to encase the fucking thing in a brick of epoxy so it cooks itself to death. I have two "dead" C64s because of this issue. Not sure about my four 1541 drives.
Tandy CoCo 2 with only one cart, Downland. People want $20 for the first game I played on it, Mega Bug, but I don't $20-want Mega Bug.

PORTABLE
IBM Thinkpad 760E, broken display. Some pothead stepped on it while I was running a surface scan of the hard drive. It rests in the basement until the day I can find replacement parts and also am not living on crackers and tap water.
Toshiba Satellite A205. Garbage. A useless machine so stripped down by the manufacturer that if it were a car, it would have a crank start.

DESKTOP
Unbranded 486 66MHz system. Needs a DALLAS RTC chip operation before I will bother adding stuff to it.
Unbranded Pentium 60MHz system. Same DALLAS issue.
Packard Bell Legend 300 CD in PRISTINE condition. No yellowing, no dust. Needs a DALLAS operation, too. Drove across the state to pick it up, and I never even use it...
HP Vectra D2933A 486 66XM, my go-to Windows 3 box. Needs a new hard drive, but is otherwise a decent machine. See attached images.
AMD K6-2 desktop, my first computer, operational
Dell Inspiron 530, typical disposable Dell junk.
Core 2 Quad desktop, my current system

APPLE
Power Mac G4 Quicksilver running OS X 10.3.5 I think
Mac Plus, unknown specifications, former school computer, likely bad caps, cannot open it without a long-blade T15 driver, which I have yet to source.

Just some of the systems that were junked without my knowledge or consent:
Amiga 500 (complete with printer, monitor, and large number of disks)
Amiga 1000
Commodore monitor
Commodore 64 (x3) (along with irreplaceable content I was preserving for a friend)
Apple ][
Apple iigs
Apple III (didn't know these existed until I found one at a flea market)
A bevvy of Mac systems, including an LC2 and some Quadra models
Multiple AT&T Globalyst systems
Packard Bell 386 and 486 compact desktops
Pentium-era Dell and Gateway (2000) systems
Atari 5200 (4 controller) in good condition
Tandy Color Computer 2
Tandy 1000
Tandy 1000 RLX

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Adam Wood
Adam Wood

Even if you built a computer from these using the best parts possible, you would end up with something that's barely usable this decade. There's a method for separating the gold, but I don't know how much you'd get and I'd rather not.
Disconnect from the botnet and suddenly it's usable again and will be until it breaks. No working part is always worth more than its gold value, even a 64MB SDRAM stick or a shitty Celeron will get you $5-10 on ebay.

Jordan Stewart
Jordan Stewart

No working part is
*A working part is

Jack Morgan
Jack Morgan

cannot open it without a long-blade T15 driver, which I have yet to source
don't let your dreams be dreams aliexpress.com/item/cool-fleshlight/32888457329.html

Jose Wright
Jose Wright

I was half-assedly trying to get one stateside so I wouldn't have to wait a month for a plastic envelope from China, and since I only need a T15, I'll keep costs low and just hunt for a single driver/bit. Annoying that the handle alcove is so badly designed that I can't fit a regular T15 driver into it.

Ryder Lewis
Ryder Lewis

this isn't chink shit general?

Brayden Stewart
Brayden Stewart

I used to have tons of stuff but really slimmed down over the years. What I have online now is a //e, a CoCo2 (My 1st computer),TRS80 Model IV, and a few XTs. All have modems and all have KERMIT. I have a PPC mac running NetBSD and it also has a modem running C-KERMIT.
All the modems are connected to an old key style Panasonic EASA Phone PBX so they can call each other. It makes moving files around between systems easy and I can dial in to the nbsd machine and then telnet/ssh/irc out from there. Been playing with CP/M22 on the //e with a Z80 softcard and M4 lately. Reading up on UUCP now so I can have emails move through my "network".

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John Taylor
John Taylor

Sounds really cool
Can you tell us more

Josiah Flores
Josiah Flores

Well KERMIT is really what ties everything together.
kermitproject.org/archive.html

With that you can exchange files between anything that can speak RS232. I started off with RS232 switchboxes and crazy adapters trying to link everything to move files around.
With the PBX its all automatic. I can use a modem on one machine to dial any other machine. The PBX has FXS jacks that act just like a real a real lineline with correct voltages. They generate dialtone and ring. So you can use any standard modem.

If I want to call the NetBSD machine from the //e I just tell the //e to dial "101". The PBX routes the call to 101 and sends ring voltage to the mac's modem. 100% like calling a modem over real landlines. It answers the call just like it would a normal call.
You can find old PBX's for almost nothing now because everyone is going to ViOP. Just make sure it supports analog SLT/"Single Line Telephones". I snagged mine from a recycling center. The KX-TES824 is the last version that supports old SLT devices.

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Zachary Kelly
Zachary Kelly

Nice. I was considering getting one to get my Dreamcasts online, but fucks in my area want hundreds for them and don't provide any information about exactly which one they're selling.

Parker Powell
Parker Powell

It's probably not a big deal to use CF/SD cards in machines that old, even if they do use page files. After all, newer devices like windows tablets and SBCs use a similar grade of flash memory or even SD cards with decent reliability despite writing way more to disk in the form of virtual memory than any of the old machines would ever need to. Plus, it's great for quick file transfers if those machines aren't networked or the NIC drivers are borked. I think it is possible to get around disk size limitations with certain software, but I have absolutely no experience with that and therefore can't comment on its utility or reliability with any confidence.

I've been keeping my eye on some of those 8-bit and 16-bit micros, but it for some reason it seems cheaper to go for some of the odder and rarer ones like the SX-64 if you want a complete system with a disc drive. For reference- a regular C64 seems to be going for $60-$100 with a PSU, and the 1541 I've seen go up to $125 with the necessary cables and the manual. This is by no means definitive, and you can likely find better deals with a little patience and dedication. I suppose finding the missing parts I need to put together an AMD DX2-66 machine could also put a dent in my wallet- as the necessary motherboard, case, power supply, as well as keyboard and mouse are going to add up to a potentially substantial amount.

What do you have to say about your working machines in terms of what they're good for? In particular the 486s, and the K6.
as for my collection- nothing too interesting. just some p3/p4/athlon era machines, a couple of core 2s, and a g3 iMac with a dying optical drive
If you can find chink shit computers/game systems from before 2000 or so, go ahead.
Is there anything specific you do to convert those bitmaps into a format usable by the Apple II?

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Mason Smith
Mason Smith

If you are willing to spend money I would just get an 824 then.
ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-KX-TA824-Advanced-Hybrid-System-Cabinet-3-Lines-x-8-Station-W-Cover/352536840124

Dreamcast -> PBX -> *nix machine with modem running pppd -> internet.

Is there anything specific you do to convert those bitmaps into a format usable by the Apple II?
I just convert them to gif then kermit them to the //e. "iigif" is the a2 image viewer I use.

Oliver White
Oliver White

all of the arguemnts i read in that pic are extremely easy to dispute, the author's an idiot and im not even a freetard

Robert Mitchell
Robert Mitchell

a regular C64 seems to be going for $60-$100 with a PSU
Fuck the PSU. Build your own, or buy a newly-fabricated one, or your C64 will be dead in a hurry.
What do you have to say about your working machines in terms of what they're good for? In particular the 486s, and the K6.
The 486 is good for DOS games, and testing to see how far backward recent hardware can be pushed. I use a USB optical mouse (with that omnipresent PS/2 adapter), and a super-slim PS/2 keyboard, as well as an LCD monitor. Yeah, it's a purist's nightmare, but it makes it easier to use. I also use it to test the website I run for all of a handful of visitors; The Homepage of the Oldternet.
geocities.ws/oldternet/
Most of what I have there are wallpapers and icons I've been making, but I may also use it to host ROMhacks (since Nesticle seems to be able to us them, amazingly) and anything I produce in Visual Basic 3, which I was trying to install when I found the HDD had more bad sectors than previously known.
The AMD system was my first computer, so I will keep it alive until I die. I use it for testing Win9X-specific stuff, as well as ISA and PCI cards, since it's less of a pain in the ass to use than my older computers with their ten ton cases and brittle locking mechanisms. I used to use it for digital art (attached) about 20 years ago, as well as for making textures and maps for Quake II. Nothing particularly impressive, mind you, as I was always too impatient to be a perfectionist, and Qoole was a TERRIBLE mapping tool, in spite of its simple interface.
Both of these systems are Internet-capable, though Cloudflare blocks the browsers that they can use, limiting which sites I can actually browse. It's nice looking at old sites in an old browser, in a room with a lot of old decorations, media, and technology in it. I always wanted to make a room that was 1986, with wood panel walls, shag carpet, decorated mirrors, a floor model Curtis Mathes color TV set, fireplace, touch-activated-lamp with a three-way bulb, bookcase full of scifi and fantasy novels from the fifties and sixties, an Atari 2600 and a dresser drawer full of loose carts, and more period-appropriate stuff. Just a nice hideaway in the past, with no Internet, and the only LCD is on the giant calculator on the desk.

I'll keep an eye on it, should my fortunes reverse.

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Gabriel Lopez
Gabriel Lopez

Give me some of your old hardware ideas.
Here are mine.
<HTPC
Easy to do. If you have smart TVs you can turn one laptop as HTPC plus you don't get the subtitles fucked up by the native smart TV player. Use mpv which is by far the fastest and works on both linux and windows (if you're having trouble with audio over hdmi).
<Universal LCD driver/controller board
recycling old and working displays from dead laptops
the problem is the colors are likely not calibrated so invest on a calibration profile colorimeter such as X-rite, Pantone, and Spyder.
Monitors cost a lot and if you manage to get a lot of universal controller board you'll get around $0-$30 per screen and it can be used for a multiple monitor setup (with even less bevel) and also for some SBCs lying around (because SBC monitors are expensive).
<Old laptop hdd + a new hdd to usb scsi controller board (usb 3.0)
Laptop hard drives if they have no bad sectors yet (and other severe smart stats) are good for storage. Most laptop drives are immune to certain shock

<DVD r/w
These optical drives aren't usually broken and can be tested if it works and you can go find a controller board if you still use them (so you don't populate usb ports or accidentally disconnect when on a live OS) .
<web cam
Maybe set up a CCTV all over your place. That is if you find a controller board to make it useful at all or make one yourself.

Also, there's a huge amount of good screws and rubber that is very useful. Try to get as much as you can.
<RAM
Old SO-DIMMs are extremely rare if they're in perfect condition despite being old since no one's manufacturing them right now. Some recent SO-DIMMs can be used with server boards.

monitor smell by far the worst
I wouldn't suggest smelling that. It's likely mercury vapor leaks and it is a complete health hazard. This is existent on older fluorescent-lit panels.

Luke Lee
Luke Lee

I wouldn't suggest smelling that. It's likely mercury vapor leaks and it is a complete health hazard. This is existent on older fluorescent-lit panels.
There is mercury inside CRTs? I know there is lead and phosphors, but mercury? As far as I know there is only vacuum inside the tube. Phosphor coating on the front is what emits light.

William Myers
William Myers

Do what suggested and make sure you're using a PowerPC build of Linux. PowerPC Macs are completely incompatible with x86 operating systems and software. Try using the ppc64el build of Debian.

Jaxson Wright
Jaxson Wright

This is existent on older fluorescent-lit panels.

Parker Lopez
Parker Lopez

I use a 5th gen iPod with the HDD swapped for 512GB of microSD and a new battery, flashed with rockbox.

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Jaxon Davis
Jaxon Davis

the fuck is this chink shit faggot

Mason Collins
Mason Collins

What counts as "old hardware"? More than 10 years old (i.e. any pre-Core-i system and contemporary components/peripherals)?

Jordan Gonzalez
Jordan Gonzalez

Spectre
To dodge Spectre you'd need to go as far back as a Pentium MMX 233 MHz. Not much use in such a system in #currentyear.

William Morgan
William Morgan

Fuck you faggot.

James Ortiz
James Ortiz

If installing XP to a Core 2 system, is there any point at all in bothering with getting it to install/run with the SATA controller in AHCI mode, or should one just stick with IDE mode?

Easton Ross
Easton Ross

Keep hold of it. I just bought a new FX-8350 to build a new system with. It's still got plenty enough grunt for most applications, and it's the last (practical) desktop processor before AMD followed Intel and kiked their chips with PSP. There is the FX-9xxx series of course, but with mental 220W TDP and water cooling mandatory, I don't consider them a viable solution. Beyond that, the only possible non-botnet upgrade is Opteron server hardware (which I'll probably acquire when used prices drop sufficiently).

Thomas Johnson
Thomas Johnson

fuck you cocksucker!
vid related

speaking of ipods and mp3 players, do any of you know what kind of ipod snake had in the metal gear series? yknow the one with the spinny circle? I can't seem to find one that fits the bill

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Aaron White
Aaron White

unless you have at least a SATA2 chipset with an SSD don't bother - AHCI is best left to win7

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Wyatt Myers
Wyatt Myers

What if you'd like to multi-boot XP, 7, and a few contemporary Linux/BSD systems? Three options present themselves
install XP in IDE mode and the others in AHCI mode, and bother to switch to IDE mode in BIOS to boot XP and switch back to AHCI to boot any other OS
make the effort to have XP work on AHCI mode too, thus not needing to touch the BIOS setting
not give a fuck about AHCI at all and install and run all OSes in IDE mode

Benjamin Lewis
Benjamin Lewis

What's the best ATA HDD producer? My 15 year old laptop's hard drive finally gave up the ghost.

Elijah Cruz
Elijah Cruz

mSATA > IDE

t. T22, T23, M40 and M50 all with mSATA SSDs converted to IDE with pic related.

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Sebastian Stewart
Sebastian Stewart

With that being said, don't bother spending boatloads of money on a mSATA SSD, something like a 120GB Kingston UV500 will suffice.

Christopher Gutierrez
Christopher Gutierrez

I didn't know these were a thing. Thank you.

Noah Morris
Noah Morris

imac G5
old as shit
I daily a powerbook g4. user you're (probably) running macOS 10.4, maybe 10.5. If you're running 10.5, it may be faster on 10.4. There's all kinds of things you can do with them, other than run debian.
LibreOffice is still supported.
So is TenFourFox, and if that's too slow try out Camino, which is unsupported (security vulnerable possibly, beware) , but super fast on PPC and does well with low-JS websites.
Also, Halo 1 and 2 run natively on them.
Man, I'd kill for a G5. My dream is to get one of the Dual Core ones and have a macOS/ Gentoo dual boot.
I'm currently looking towards a GNUstep build on my g4. I think I'll just start with Debain, but after I get the hang of it I'm gonna do a BSD kernel. Supposedly, there was a GNUstep on Darwin project once upon a time. Now that would be cool.

You did smash cmd+"c" as you were booting, no? If not, look up some quick OpenFirmware commands and boot into that. Fun fact, OpenFirmware is written in Fourth and you can run any Fourth command from the OpenFirmware shell.

There is no "classic mode" for anything newer than a g3. However, you can run SheepSaver at near-native performance because it is still PPC. Also, in terms of heat, new thermal paste and maybe a fan-mod will go leagues towards improving performance and sustainability.

10.4 was PPC. 10.5 was PPC and Intel. Actually, on any 10.5 mac is binaries for PPC _and_ Intel. Including every program! How wasteful!

Lots of mid-2000s games had mac ports that will run great on it. Many have been forgotten about. Try to look for really old (>2006/7) forum posts.

Do NOT use just any isopropyanol alcohol. Either use distilled water, which has a 0% chance of fucking with anything (>>1005556 is talking out of his ass), or use a very, very pure ethanol alcohol. Never, ever use denatured alcohol. Many store-bought cleaning alcohols have additives making them toxic to humans, so you throw them up before the alcohol kills you. These added toxins leave residue on electronics that can really fuck with things, especially where contact is made. Water is the best cleaning solution for powered-off electronics. Just dry it with a towel/ hair dryer (beware of heat exposure).
t. A guy who's broken a lot of shit by doing stuff the wrong way

Joseph Lee
Joseph Lee

First gen iPods had a mechanical spinner wheel instead of a touch wheel.

Jayden Diaz
Jayden Diaz

can you post a pic of one, preferably black, i knew someone who had one a long time ago and ive been looking for one that matches it (it also had the mechanical spinner) and everything coming up on google is either just buttons or the touch wheel

Jaxson Phillips
Jaxson Phillips

it is currently on Mac OS X 10.5.8
do you know of any good resources/tutorials? like specifically how to install basilisk and sheepshaver and also where to find said games, currently i only know of macintoshgarden

Brandon Ross
Brandon Ross

The didn't make black ones until the 5th gen. You can see pictures of all the models here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iPod_models

If you want one for actual listening don't bother with 6th gen and above. That's when the Wolfson company went out of business and they stopped using the Wolfson DAC, which makes the older iPod actually have better sound quality than the new ones with Cirrus DACs. That said I also looked up Metal Gear's iPod and all I can find is the one from MGS4, which looks a lot like a 5th gen to me.

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Alexander Gray
Alexander Gray

im slightly confused, isnt there supposed to be a whitish semi clear ring that rotates around the buttons?

Angel Sullivan
Angel Sullivan

How about you just click the link he provided.

Luis Peterson
Luis Peterson

I have bad new comrades, there is a possibility that my dad has thrown away a box of miscellaneous electronic components, chief among them being some old RAM cards, along with some laptop screens and other bits. it contained the parts out of at least 2 laptops of varying age. may we have a moment of silence for all Zig Forums and Zig Forums accessories that have been lost to the ignorance of normies.

Dominic Hughes
Dominic Hughes

F
A moment of quiet rage, perhaps, but not a peaceful silence.

Henry Torres
Henry Torres

RAM cards
DIMMs are sticks, not cards

Ian Sullivan
Ian Sullivan

He could be referring to one of these ram expansion cards for an old IBM.

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Brody Myers
Brody Myers

no comrades, it was a handful of old thinkpad sticks/cards ranging from 1gb to 4gb and worth between $20-$30 bucks online

Austin Rogers
Austin Rogers

Never knew about this. I was about to suggest IBM pATA IDE but those are currently hard to find.

Andrew Roberts
Andrew Roberts

operating systems you would install on that kind of machines obviously assume HDDs
let's shove SSDs there anyway
How is it going to work (TRIM etc)?

Charles Roberts
Charles Roberts

There is a PPC mac app store. ppcappstore.wordpress.com/
Also, there's another website powerpcsoftware.com/
Not sure how dated this stuff is. Check out homebrew and tigerports (linux-like package managers). They install from source iirc.

Gabriel Bennett
Gabriel Bennett

lets shove SSDs there anyway
The OS is hardware agnostic, it merely needs a certain protocol (IDE). Many SSDs have hardware TRIM anyways, and lack of TRIM shouldn't be a worry with such small and lightly-used SSDs.

Charles Myers
Charles Myers

thepiratebay.org/torrent/15169543/Elpamsoft_SSD_Tweaker_Pro_v3.7.0

Nolan Kelly
Nolan Kelly

Recently scored for myself a 8" Composite monitor <3

SD Cards on 8-bit micros.
Easily done. For the 6502, search for Dolo Miah's code. 2GB and under SD cards also support variable/256 byte block sizes, which makes things easier for 8 bitters.

What's also easy to do? IDE. 14 GPIO for control/data signals, which a 6522/6820/8255/et.al. can handle, and you don't need to worry about level conversion like with SD.

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Liam Jenkins
Liam Jenkins

Anybody do anything with consumer hardware here? Seems like everything with a cartridge slot has flash carts for it, some even with a way to communicate with a host pc. Quite a few also run code (the supercard dstwo, and sd2snes are the 2 I can think of)

Landon Watson
Landon Watson

OSX went to shit the day they appstore went live. If you have a PPC Mac and you want the OSX experience, get Final Cut Pro Studio, Adobe CS2, Maya, and MS Office and call it a day.

Kayden Brooks
Kayden Brooks

I want to get some of the original games but it takes literal hours to download > ~1gb
and some of the games need to be downloaded in 3 parts of similar size, plus the downloads "fail" frequently and need to be restarted, so its a lot of time with no guarantee of success

Gavin Bennett
Gavin Bennett

seems like a useful resource, thank you

Adam Hernandez
Adam Hernandez

user, this is an "aftermarket appstore". Just a good place to find PPC software! Also, everything about the switch to Intel was ashit. That's when apple went from the king of (home) computing to just another x86 player. Their OS was still decent till El Capitan imho --remember, you've never _had_ to use the app store.

user, maybe look for torrents and torrent it on a different pc? At the very least, download it on another computer with some kind of sequential dl manager.

No problem user. Wish I had more for you. Some day when I'm a little more settled and not on my school's shitty network, it'd be cool to have an ftp server for PPC software, maybe even develop a binary repository. Nevertheless, the software is out there somewhere. It'll be a lot quicker to find if you search on a quicker machine, tho!

John Jones
John Jones

Do what with consumer hardware? I repair game controllers, replace batteries with CR2032 sockets (of course, I know better than to do this without a diode for recharging internal batteries), and rarely modify consoles and replace dead laser diodes. I have yet to take a soldering iron to a motherboard, and I may install a DSP chip into my Super Everdrive so Mario Kart and Pilotwings will work with it.

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Oliver Kelly
Oliver Kelly

Interesting stuff. So far, all I've really done with my P3 is play some old games and test out a capture card that's a bit too new for a 866 MHz processor especially with the lack of any hardware video encoding. It still can produce somewhat acceptable results though.
Build your own, or buy a newly-fabricated one, or your C64 will be dead in a hurry.
Is there any model of newly made one you'd be willing to shill for? At the moment my soldering iron isn't exactly in the most functional statetakes way more effort to melt the solder than it should, yet can still burn a hole in a PCB. I suppose I deserve it for buying a chink iron.
Is it monochrome or color? Looks pretty decent for what it is, even if the lack of an outside cover/chassis is somewhat questionable.

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Eli Russell
Eli Russell

I have no idea what that had to do with what I said unless the games you want are shovelware shit only available on appstore.

Sebastian Price
Sebastian Price

no i mean like the old games, like the ones found on macintosh garden, i dont want any of those mind-numbing repetitive shit (((games))) they offer
my biggest trouble is 1. trying to download games whose file sizes are bigger than 500mb and emulating pre-PPC mac games

Julian Baker
Julian Baker

I just cracked open my powerbook and looked over the software. Currently building irssi, and it's probably gonna take all night. Anyways, PPC Media Center is the only way I'm able to watch Youtube (and download!) on the thing. It works very well for SD video, and it may even play HD well on the G5 you've got. VLC works alright for media, but at least the G4 does not do h.264 at all (and the G5 still doesn't have hardware h.264 acceleration). It'd be neat to get mpv working on it, but I haven't looked into it yet.

John Reyes
John Reyes

Is there any model of newly made one you'd be willing to shill for? At the moment my soldering iron isn't exactly in the most functional statetakes way more effort to melt the solder than it should, yet can still burn a hole in a PCB. I suppose I deserve it for buying a chink iron.

I see them being sold out of Eurostan on ebay, but I have yet to buy one. Really, you can make them out of 12V AC power supplies and 5V DC chargers, but that's kinda' hit or miss, considering most of those are cheap Chinese trash. I recommend checking Youtube for people talking about them, preferably people with a good reputation in the classic computing scene who aren't shilling bullshit all the time. I stopped looking into it because I didn't really want to invest fifty bucks in a new power supply when I only have two games for the system, and no CF/SD card adapter for it. There's really no "brand" to look for, since it's a bunch of random people putting them together. Alternately, you can get a C64-saver, or whatever people call them. They go between the existing supply and the C64, and shut off if the supply shits the bed and tries to goodify the computer with forced diversity of voltages.
For the soldering iron, maybe grind down the tip to remove severe oxidation, if it's there, then tin the tip with some solder. My primary iron was some unbranded thing I got in college, but I still have a ratty Radio Shack iron in my tool case, just in case. Here's the bullshit I used to do 20 years ago.

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Jeremiah Martinez
Jeremiah Martinez

My first computer. Atari 800XL, I just don't really have a floppy drive to go with it, had a 1010 but it was not much useful. Software were rare so it was a fancy typewriter and a thing to learn and practice BASIC.

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Ryan Powell
Ryan Powell

The OS is hardware agnostic
In another thread (I think the stickied question one) someone was asserting that "new OSes are made with SSDs in mind".

Connor Sanchez
Connor Sanchez

Ah let's post the rest, including /g/uro.

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Oliver Lewis

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Nolan Sanders
Nolan Sanders

Would need sauce on that. Only thing I can think of is block sizes.

Dominic Miller
Dominic Miller

Alignment and TRIM.

Dominic Scott
Dominic Scott

would it be easier to just reinstall a new copy of OS X 10.4 to emulate older games? at the moment its saying that sheepshaver and basilisk are no longer supported and I don't have the knowledge base to be going into partitions and all the other shit required for emulation

Lincoln Hughes
Lincoln Hughes

In college now, a couple days left until I head back home to the bay area. Damn, if I could have been born a few years earlier I wouldn't have missed out on all the cool stuff that went on, now its just apple and google.

This year I had a rough time coping when an electronics warehouse closed down. I used to driver there often after school when I was still in high school and pick up stuff to mess with. Now thaf I have money to get all those thinkpads and IBM PCs they had, they're gone. I curse my luck every time I think about this. Hoping to visit some recycling centers in the area, and I really hope I'll be able to find some neat stuff and that they don't stop me from taking any junk. It hurts to see them scrap old stuff when I'd gladly pay for it. If only I had infinite time I'd save all the old hardware and let them live a cage-free retirement.

Anyway, I'm thinking of putting together a DOS PC. Everyone talks about gaming and stuff, and I guess I'd play some games on it if I put one together, but I'm interested in getting one online and using it for telnet and IRC. Even an early 80s processor can handle that. It would be really cool.

Jayden Wilson
Jayden Wilson

You can still get Linksys ISA NICs still in the original shrinkwrap on ebay, but 3.5" and 5.25" floppy drives are going into ABSURD pricing levels. Same for any ISA VGA card with more than 512k VRAM. The only other thing that's really abundant anymore it information, at least. Without Vogons, I wouldn't have been able to do much with my 486. Alas, all that remains of my Packard Bell Legend 300SX 386 that I was messing around with about 15 years ago are a few screenshots of me trying out web browsing and messing with Calmira (Win9X-like shell replacement for Windows 3).

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Ayden Wood
Ayden Wood

Since Vista Windows used a megabyte alignment rather than the legacy cylinder alignment, and NT5 Windows (2k/XP/2k3) will happily work with megabyte-aligned partitions if installed to a disk which was prepartitioned that way (contrarily to Windows 9x which will crap itself with partitions which are not cylinder-aligned). Anyway, partitioning is not a hardware thing, but a software thing which sits between the raw disk device and the volumes (which are instances of a file system which exists within the bounds of a given partition/logical disk).

Matthew Young
Matthew Young

Relatively decent PCI video cards are quite expensive by now, let alone ISA ones.

Eli Brooks
Eli Brooks

Not so much, so. A 1MB ISA card from around 1993 or so tends to go for a hundred bucks, minimum. That's a lot to ask for 16k colors in Windows 3. Old PCI video cards, if you're not a period-accurate obsessive, are almost a dime a dozen, because people sell them without knowing what they are. Admittedly, older cards with the all-important DOS and Win3 drivers are a bit harder to come across, and God help you if you are looking for a specific card like anything from 3DFX. I have some weirdass GeForce card in my Win98 system, and it was new old stock for about $13.

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Thomas Ross
Thomas Ross

Hey user, sorry I mispoke earlier. Classic Mode is (was) supported on 10.4. If you're looking to play old mac system 9 games, that'd be your best bet.

Anthony Flores
Anthony Flores

I picked up four huge projection tvs the other day I am looking forward to playing with.

Levi Torres
Levi Torres

If only I had infinite time I'd save all the old hardware and let them live a cage-free retirement.
I want to laugh, but where is the lie?

Nathaniel Collins
Nathaniel Collins

any pointers to where I can find the ISO image download?
I found this
archive.org/download/Apple_MacOS_X_Tiger_Install_DVD
But im not sure if this would work or if it would just fuck up my computer

Aaron Flores
Aaron Flores

Pretty sure most stuff on Archive is good. I've installed stuff from WinWorld without issues on the other side of the fence, and WinWorld is a less reputable site. I've yet to hear of dodgy Mac OS images fucking people's computers up.

Adrian White
Adrian White

alright I'll give it a go

Dylan Jackson
Dylan Jackson

projection TV
Why?

Hunter Gomez
Hunter Gomez

I've got this LinkIt Smart 7688 Internet Of Things device which I'm keen to connect to my TRS-80 Model 100. I already have it communicating over the serial port. The 7688 is a small Linux machine that runs DD-WRT and while it only has like 8Mb of free space on the flash drive, you can rehome root to the Micro SD port for as much storage as you like. It has Wifi and will take an external antenna with a teeny tiny antenna connector. The whole thing's about two thirds the size of a stick of gum. It's even powerful enough to run Emacs at a comfortable pace and does extremely well with lighter weight software.

I want to put it inside my Model T but connect it to the serial port, so I can access the device from the comms package built into its ROM, but the sticking point is battery consumption. It will rapidly deplete the batteries of the T if left on all the time, and since it takes a little while to boot the T and get the terminal ready I would like it to start only when the T is turned on. This will be easy enough, but I also want the 7688 to initiate an orderly shutdown automatically when the T is turned off. Any ideas on how to do this? Would it be easier for the 7688 to sense when it's probed by the serial port and simply turn on then, and off when there's no serial activity for some time? Bear in mind while I'm willing to modify the Model T I don't want to butcher it, any mod must be small and durable. I don't want to mod the case at all, the 7688 will fit in the expansion slot on the bottom easily as is or it could be secreted into the case leaving the slot free.

So that's my project. Also I got a very fancy Laserdisc player working again recently so that's nice.

Jayden Lopez
Jayden Lopez

Why?
Why not?

Ryder Johnson
Ryder Johnson

No, the mac cannot boot from an iso. You'll either need to find a dmg or try to convert the iso (I've never had good luck with that)

Tyler Brown
Tyler Brown

Just burn the iso to a dvd and boot off that.

Ian Morris
Ian Morris

You fucking idiot. It doesn't have a bios to boot like that. You need the proper type of image. PPC =/= IBM-like PCs.

Colton Sanchez
Colton Sanchez

An ISO a binary disc image. There's nothing special about Apple's DVD readers or discs that dd-ing on any combination of functioning hardware would yield an incomplete image or disc. DMG is basically an Apple container for the data an ISO (or other image files) would contain, adding facilities like compression and in-OS behavioral metadata. None of this container's added features make it onto a burnt disc.

Sebastian Clark
Sebastian Clark

Luckily I have a 3.5" floppy drive at home, somewhere. I made sure to pack my stuff away labeled so my parents wouldn't throw it away while I'm gone. I'm not sure it works, though. I think it does. I have some old video cards as well, but I think those are PCI and would probably be best on newer machines.

I got a reply from one of the recycling centers I emailed, and they say people are not allowed to pick up junk. stupid state regulations, they're destroying stuff people would pay for.

That's pretty impressive for a 386 by the way.

you'd do it too, wouldn't you?

Lincoln Adams
Lincoln Adams

I have a Mac Pro (don't remember if it's 2,1 or 1,2?) with like 32gb of DDR2 ram and used to have like 4TB before I ended up using the HDD for something else.
It's neat, but since it can't really install Linux and only an older version of OS X that can't run anything it's kinda useless. It also lags like a bitch, can't tell if it's the GPU being a shithead or the CPU also being a shithead.
If I can't get it running Linux and being sort of useful again I'm gonna either switch out the internals completely to build a Hackintosh or just sell everything as parts.
That's my blogpost of the day enjoy ciao

Kayden Sanchez
Kayden Sanchez

they say people are not allowed to pick up junk
I assume that was either a state-owned center, or a corporate center.
Most private recycling centers will let you pick shit up if you get cozy enough with the owner or slip some bribes, especially if they're normally closed to the public. The easiest to get into are generally smaller ones owned by computer shops. You could even just go to a regular computer shop and try to get into their dump pile. There are two I go to semi-regularly. One will let me pick up whatever I want there, and the other has little restrictions, letting me pick up whatever hasn't been earmarked for someone else. The trick to getting to these places is with the leather of your shoes. Go to prospective sources and talk with the people there one-on-one. Sooner or later you will be able to come to a deal where you can look through their recycled goods. It's also best to be upfront about your desire to collect old shit, because it'll send the message that you're not trying to do some shady shit. I remember on one occasion I walked into a cheap cellphone shop for the first time, had a thirty-second conversation with the clerk, and was immediately granted access to their trash pile which yeilded a couple of carphones. If I wanted to, I could have easily walked away with all the still working smartphones in there, but didn't because another place I go to already offers unlimited free phones.
Depending on the laws of the state you live in, even a state-owned center could still be potentially useful. Over where I live, I can legally pick up anything that was dumped by the state itself, with the only restriction being against privately dumped stuff. Even then they'll look the other way if it's something insignificant.

Nathan Anderson
Nathan Anderson

Heh, I remember the special GNAA release of OSX Tiger.

Asher Jackson
Asher Jackson

I generally try to talk to people when I go to these places. Back in high school I was close with kids on the robotics team, so when they had ewaste drives I'd come by and really clean up. Boomboxes, pentium machines, loads of monitors and keyboards, hard drives, boxes upon boxes of IDE cables and the like. Actually thats where I got the 3.5" floppy drive thats in my closet. I technically wasn't allowed to do that either, but they were going to get rid of dozens of large boxes of stuff, all for a measly 200 bucks. Working microwaves, office printers, VCRs. If they had sold even a 10th of the stuff they would have made more than 200.I'm just glad I saved some of it.

How do you find privately owned centers? I thought they were all state regulated or something like that. Either way I'll definitely try asking around in person when I get back home.

Jaxon Rogers
Jaxon Rogers

All recycling centers are governed by regulations, but how many of the rules they actually follow varies.
Some computer shops will have small recycling centers built in. There's one I go to owned by a local place, and I know of a Small Dog that does this, but you need good connections to get in that one.
You don't need to find one with a recycling center though. Pretty much every computer shop, especially those that do repairs or used sales, will have a dump pile that will occasionally be shipped out to a recycling center. If you're having trouble getting into any proper recycling centers, then you can just go straight to the shops that throw the stuff away in the first place. The shops won't have as much, but they'll usually be poorly educated on the laws governing that stuff, plus they'll generally be easier to weasel into.
Individually owned places are by far the easiest and safest to get into, because you can almost always talk your way in and nobody watches them. With corporate or state shops/centers, you'll often have to get good connections and/or bribe the right people, and even then you might run the risk of being found out.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore

you'd do it too, wouldn't you?
if only I could, I would save all the things :(

Colton Cox
Colton Cox

It doesn't have a bios to boot like that. You need the proper type of image. PPC =/= IBM-like PCs.
Wrong.
Burn that .iso to a DVD.
If its an new world mac reboot it and hold down "C". It will boot.
While it is booting I suggest you read up on the ISO9660, ISO/IEC 13346, and ECMA-167 specifications.
bios
After you read up on what a .iso is I suggest you read up on what OpenFirmware is.
You fucking idiot.
The only idiot here is you.

Ryder Mitchell
Ryder Mitchell

I suppose you could probably find an SD card interface for it. Those would be just as expensive as one of the actual floppy drives, but it'd be easier to track down software that way.
didn't expect to see atari XL users among the furry christian community
Don't forget that you can make it boot from a USB drive with the right firmware commands.

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Aaron Stewart
Aaron Stewart

I collect PDAs

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Ryder Ross
Ryder Ross

Classy. Or, as they would say about 20 years ago, fexxay.

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones

Nice. I've got a sony clie running palm software that I use regularly, and also a casio digital diary that I don't use so much anymore. The clie syncs with my XP laptop and also works with USB pass through to a VM. Palm Desktop is my favorite calendar software.

Benjamin Gray
Benjamin Gray

I'll try this out, thanks. I don't suppose just straight up dumpster-diving is an option?

Leo Kelly
Leo Kelly

Clusters server when?

Jack Morris
Jack Morris

It is, but you should be careful. The laws on dumpster diving differ between states, so there's a good chance you'll want to be sneaky about it.

Luke Hughes
Luke Hughes

BlackBerry playbook checking in. Still works with modern web, but some things are a bitch. For instance, it tries to download the 8ch CAPTCHA page PHP file instead of redirecting new to it.

Damn, fuck those neighbors.

Nathan Reyes
Nathan Reyes

Forgot pic

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Lincoln Baker
Lincoln Baker

Damn, fuck those neighbors.
The neighbors weren't the sinners, it was my own damned family. The house I got the Amiga from was a stranger's house. It kills me that I had rescued it, only for it to have been junked behind my back. Same thing happened to my Thinkpad. I restored it from a pile of broken mess, and some asshole fucking stepped on it when I was running scandisk with the lid closed.

Alexander Martinez
Alexander Martinez

Do you have the rumored pocket linux N950?

Jace Bailey
Jace Bailey

There is no good use for old desktops that can't be done better and more efficiently with a cheap SBC.
Enjoy your 6MB/s raspi network->usb transfer speed while I'm getting 40MB/s with a server board I found on the side of the road from the 2000s. Good luck doing any kind of network backup, it's the difference between overnight and almost a week.

Jose Lee
Jose Lee

Disown your family, they are horrid people and do you no good.

Nathaniel Nelson
Nathaniel Nelson

Oh, I have. Through my brother and my mother, I made it clear that I would never forgive this, and now I collect guns, particularly the scary black kind with those high-capacity assault clippazines they kvetch about on CNNPC.
Buuut being a law-abiding gun owner and a staunch proponent of the 2A, I can't do or say anything to make people less angry than me look bad.
A friend of mine had me hold onto his A500 and his Colecovision, the former in the box, and I want to see if I can trade him something for them. I have an assload of Transformers and game systems that I could use to sweeten the deal.

Elijah Walker
Elijah Walker

Most SBCs don't have the RPi problem, and instead have dedicated Ethernet port. Quite a few of them even have GigE.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers

Colton Evans
Colton Evans

Yeah, that's not where the bottleneck is, notice I said network->usb. The only SBC that could be possibly useful is one with 4+ sata ports on a decent controller. Good fucking luck.

Jaxson Carter
Jaxson Carter

Most SBCs don't route the Ethernet through USB, and instead have a dedicated controller.

Andrew Bailey
Andrew Bailey

For the disk part, there's boards with USB 3 and some even have multiple SATA ports. Pic plugs into the RockPro64 PCIe slot.

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Ian Foster
Ian Foster

I never thought I'd see a PCIe card with jumpers on it.

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