This is terrible

The main thing i dont like about wordress is that it doesnt give me access to the html and wont allow me to easily resize things.
Then again i might be a n00b.

I wanted to have a dev blog for gamedev, and wanted to use HTML5 + CSS. Namely, since you can't really break into a site's admin account if there is no account in the first place. That and it's very lightweight in comparison to an overdose of features I'll never really use. Don't care much for comments and feedback as I have other outlets for that.
My only problem is that while I'd gotten some basic pages together, I hadn't quite gotten anything appealing and I would occasionally flub up the text wrapping or other such details for different devices. Anyone got some good resources on doing hand crafted blog posts in this kind of workflow? I don't really need much beyond that. I couldn't find many good sources once I got past baby level of coding.

Haha, I had to use that once, what a shitty bloated spaghetti generator. It's almost as bad as MS FrontPage was, if you're old enough and unlucky enough to have used that.

I will probably just make one page with it as a shameless bait for google search.

go be a dumb nigger somwhere else

Honestly, just do the black on white thing the other dude mentioned. Will make your project look 100% more interesting. Too much design on websites just makes me suspicious at this point and think that the people making the site are probably full of shit. Especially true for indie gamdev which is like 99,95% bullshit anyways.

I remember the tables and shudder a bit

I'm definitely going that direction, yeah. I don't want to underdo it, but that's still better than overdoing it and looking gaudy or clustered full of images.

People still pay for WordPress sites, that is the reason it is still around. Wp is just within the skill level of an average office worker, so they can make content edits without paying a developer. If you are coding a personal project, yeah, don't waste time on WP.

Best way for me learning HTML stuff, and a lot of other stuff for that matter, is to do what I can and look up how to do X or how to fix Y whenever I run into something. Then I learn that and incrementally increase my expertise. I suppose once you get to a certain level of proficiency this way you'd be set to get a couple books on the matter and read them and actually get something out of them, even if you only just pick and choose bits to use. Honestly you're probably better than me at this since I just have a little neocities page, but fpr me the most helpful thing is just being really organized. Nowadays I try to put most things into divs and then put divs into larger divs. Maybe a bit convoluted sounding, but it lets you split a page up into blocks and then split blocks up how you like. So I can make good use of the space and change the properties of anu class of divs with a quick CSS change. And little things like being very consistent in design, and having breadcrumbs on every page and maybe even a directory sort of page help keep things very organized. IMO the bane of a small site is being disorganized. When its organized you have a good workspace, just like a desk or office in which you can do good work.

>black on white
degenerates like you belong on a cross. thankfully some people are starting to wake up to the fact that bright backgrounds burn your retinas. also thank god for color inverters.

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Because it's free, effortless, and you can do practically anything you want except for host adds.

Where's the lie? Also you don't even need CSS, and there is in fact literally nothing wrong with static sites.

Fuck off nigger

Just in case one of you is not being ironic nor shitposting; not everyone is a neckbeard living in a basement and doing nothing worthwhile with their lives. And I'm not even talking about myself.

There's countless of individuals and small businesses who need a website they can put information about their business/event/whatever into, and cannot afford a dedicated developer to make and keep updating it. You can't expect a freelance hair dresser to learn how to make websites nor become a graphic designer, nor expect them to edit plain HTML documents every time they want to post a news article. People specialize because being a master of one thing and cooperating with people who mastered other things > being a jack of all trades but master of none.

I've made countless websites for small businesses and individuals for various reasons using wordpress because it's easy and cheap to set up and customize and find hosting for, easy for the client to keep updating/posting into, and the plugins allow you to do a huge variety of things without having to start reinventing the wheel with some server-side systems. We just have to configure and customize it to do what the client wants and design the look to match their business. Working in a small advertising agency gives you a pretty good view of just how many of these people/businesses there are and how many reasons people might need a website for, you wouldn't even imagine. In fact even I can't imagine because of how limited scale I work in. Even if you have the money, it's still significantly easier and cheaper and less retarded to pay us once to make a website that they can personally keep updating, than to hire some faggot just for that purpose.

And despite saying all this, I fucking hate wordpress. There's just no better option out there that I know of. I've been thinking of writing a replacement myself, but I'll need to learn more about server software first, and I don't know if web hosts will let me run some arbitrary program on their machines since I'm not interested of using PHP or whatever shit they usually support.

On a somewhat unrelated note, reading this thread I get the feeling that half the people are talking about the shitty blogging website (wordpress.com), and half are talking about the wordpress web server software (wordpress.org). I'm obviously talking about the latter.

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The whole point of dreamweaver was to help tame the mess of tables that the complex layouts that era required, in that regard it was fairly decent, in fact it was revolutionary to 13 year old me.

Still probably less cancerous than the absolute state of current 'webdev', thankfully I had my thrill of that early on and went became a real programmer.

Nobody copes with WordPress for personal use, nigga. People use it when they have to make a shitty website to meet a deadline.

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I actually wrote my own static site generator from scratch in about a week, with no prior experience generating HTML. And yes, this time also includes refactoring and correcting my initial design mistakes. If I had to do it now, I could do it in less than half the time. It takes a bit more work upfront until you see first results, but I feel like I have already save a ton of time for not having to fuck around with an of these weird opaque CMSes.

And I think that's the crux of the issue: with a CMS you can see results very quickly. Click a few buttons and type some shit and you are live already. It is more satisfying in the short-term and makes you feel like you are more productive and making faster progress.

That's bullshit. If you are a hairdresser you don't build your own scissors and trimmers, you don't mix your own shampoo, you don't build your own chairs and mirrors. You hire a professional to do it. I am pretty sure the price for a nice-looking static website is negligible compared to the cost for your other equipment. As for updating, if the developer you hire knows his shit he can just stuck a Markdown parser in there, so the hairdresser can write updates and blog posts locally, press a button hand have the web page updated. There is no need to call in a professional every time you want to change the working hours or the phone number on the main page.

I know he's somewhat of an eceleb and people don't like that, but you might want to take a look at Luke Smith's static site generator.
lukesmith.xyz/
github.com/LukeSmithxyz/lb

It has barely and features, but it gets the job done. I'd rather browse a barebones website that's good enough, than one that has a million bullshit features where half of them drive me up the wall.

I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing. That's exactly what I meant, they can just commission us to make and design and find hosting for the website. And then they can use the wordpress admin panel to post new articles or add new pages, edit the page contents if their phone number changed or they want a new header image or update their gallery or whatever, or in rare cases edit the page templates if they have someone who can do it. Sometimes they want things like a contact form or multiple language support or some other obscure feature, and a plugin will accomplish it effortlessly.

And I don't have to start reverse engineering facebook/instagram/twitter every time they do their monthly API fuck up that requires you to change the script to embed facebook feeds, I can just update the facebook feed plugin. Say what you want about facebook but that's how normalfags communicate and find things, like it or not. Remember that the customer doesn't give a shit how compact and lightning fast and elegant your software is, they only care about the end result and features and how easy it is to use, and if you won't let them have a facebook feed or whatever shit, they'll instead go to someone who will.

If there was a piece of software that did all this better than wordpress, needless to say we'd be using it instead, but there isn't one.

This part I agree with.

This part I disagree with, you don't need Wordpress. Content can be written in Markdown, which anyone can understand (hand them a cheat sheet to glue next to their monitor if necessary). For building static content and uploading make a small GUI app that has like two or three buttons, or something like that if they don't want to fiddle with the command line.

Well this is where you're blatantly wrong, and even if you weren't it's nowhere near as intuitive as the wysiwyg text input field in wordpress. You're literally telling me to give the client an inferior product.

And this is where I'm convinced you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Why? A "simple app" won't cut it for 95% of the things we make, if you'd just stop ignoring all the given reasons why.

Tell your clients their websites suck and I don't wanna use them.

Oh come on, we are talking about people who know how to run a business, not retards. Learning how to write Markdown is easier than learning most everyday tasks.
I would consider something slow and bloated to be inferior. With Markdown you can choose whatever editor you want, anything from the current fancy Electron GUI shit to ed over a remote terminal. If your customer already has an editor he likes (even if it's just Notepad) he can just use that.

I don't know what kind of high-end luxury hairdressers you are serving, but for most hairdressers saying "Write your blog post in this format, save it in this folder and press this button" seems like it would be just fine. I mean, when I look up a hairdresser's web page I don't see anything that couldn't be coded by hand even.

WordPress is awesome, its GPLv2 and mandate the same license for all plugins/themes, developers that disrespect the rule are blocked from official events
If you want to make blog or a business website its more then enough
The only annoying thing is that the platform became popular, a lot of "free" plugins/themes with limited functions pushing for a PRO version on every corner, to find true free as in free beer resources became a hassle, but there is still a lot of people contributing to the platform
Also, I like the new editor, the page builders were all shitty, adding tons of megabytes to the memory

I don't know, I don't know why people feel the need to use anything else other than pure html+css for their web publishing stuff. I mean I kinda get it if you have a shared blog or something where several people need to send articles to the same blog but just for simple personal blogs it seems like using bloat just for the sake of using bloat.

is this considered a terrible punishment?

freetards not understanding that user demands may differ from their own, what a surprise.
I sure wonder why the field is full of narcissists that fork at every opportunity but seldom merge efforts.

People who run businesses can also have huge egos. They'll refuse to do basic tasks if they feel like they don't or shouldn't have to. They'll even refuse to do things like capitalize or use punctuation in emails.

This is true, but they don't really care. It's about ego for them, if it wasn't their idea, it sucks.

t. 5yo

What else did you want them to?
To come against them with lawyers would be expensive and give the platform a bad look

Using WordPress makes building websites easy for web developers. So novice web programmers love WordPress!

I think you can get money from the Software Freedom Conservancy to litigate these sorts of lawsuits. As for the damage to their platform, they probably do as much damage by using a GPL license instead of MIT, so if they don't enforce it I don't see why they bother with the license. Stallman likes to say that letting other share your work as proprietary is damaging to the freedom of your users, so not enforcing the GPL must be damaging in this sense.