We need something better than all the Win/Mac/Linux shitware we have now. Software nowadays is unmaintainable and bloated as hell. The answer is a secure microkernel OS with formal verification and a clean codebase with minimalism and isolation in mind.
It's time to get real about OS security
Carson Hill
Michael Smith
At this point, pretty much everything can be hacked. Our cars can be hacked (which will become even more serious with the self-driving ones). Everything is connected and sending signals. The IoT is coming.
This wouldn't be such a problem if the software was actually designed properly
Jonathan Garcia
It's impossible to truly know how many bugs are in our code, but a general rule of thumb is that for every thousand lines, there are about one to five bugs. That sounds reasonable... until you realize how fucking massive codebases are. The Linux kernel is in the tens of millions now, and Bluetooth alone is hundreds of thousands. As system complexity goes up, the security goes down.
It's not just macroshit. It's Loonix too.
Aaron Green
Yeah we could patch stuff, and we do. Oh we certainly do, but with our massive codebases, there are massive amounts of bugs. Eventually a vulnerability comes out, which prompts devs to actually do something about one, so they patch it. Yay, we removed one bug! Except in the process of patching, or in the process of continuing to maintain the program, we just introduced another bug. And the cycle continues...
Sure we could use firewalls, but that doesn't treat the problem at the root. It only mitigates our issues. Actually it barely does that, because our firewalls also run on big vulnerable operating systems with millions of lines of code, often the same ones we use on our normal systems.
Luis Collins
And no, the AI and machine learning memes won't help. They're the same shit as firewalls. They run on a broken foundation, and once again don't actually treat the core of what's wrong.
We need an operating system running on a trustworthy kernel, one that isolates processes based on whether they are critical and trusted or not. What is malware? What is malicious activity? A common definition is a program that does something that the user does not know it will do, does not expect, is not documented or specified. Therefore, a trustworthy program is one the conforms exactly to its specification, does things in a timely manner, and ensures that things will be executed securely. We need to think of this the same way we think of network security. There's the ideal of zero trust. We don't allow traffic in unless it is confirmed to be safe. Whitelist instead of Blacklist. In the same way, a system must be considered untrustworthy unless proven otherwise.
Eli Bell
Important topic OP. We can probably look at hard realtime OSs and software used in mil aerospace for good ideas.
Jace Martinez
forth
Jeremiah Turner
Enter, SeL4, the provably secure operating system kernel. This little fucker is only 10k lines of C and ASM. This gives it a really small attack surface and means it can be verified FULLY. Now I know what you're thinking. "Oh but it's a MICROKERNEL! They're so slow they're a failed academic meme just look at muh mach!"
Mach was like four decades ago at this point. Microkernels have progressed a lot since then. In fact, they can be really, really freaking fast.
This one in particular also makes use of capability-based security. It may be small, but it doesn't take shit from anyone. Non-kernel code can only access stuff if it's explicitly allowed. If not, tough luck, CIAniggers.
There can be unprivileged code, but it certainly shouldn't be anywhere near the kernelspace. That's the privileged core of the operating system, and we need to keep it secure.
Jaxson Cook
And to hammer that point home about the developments, see this lovely chart of the microkernel innovations stemming from the original L3 and L4. This stems all the way back from 1993, and has gone in so many interesting directions. From ports to MIPS and Alpha, to inspirations off into Fiasco and Pistacho, the latter of which has variants seen in Apple and Qualcomm products. seL4 is just the latest and greatest in this line.
Mason Morales
Whose done the full audit on it? I literally only trust a crowd-sourced effort tbh. Web of trust and all that.
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Aiden Phillips
It has proofs that verify its correctness.
Connor Price
where "fully" means "as far as the model we are using allows it."
Before side channels for example became a thing no one was thinking about them in their proofs. You cannot protect yourself against the unknown unknowns.
Charles Martinez
The security of such a kernel can be proven at all levels, even down to the fundamentals of security in terms of Confidentiality, Integrity, and Availability. It goes down to an abstract specification model (haskell I believe), then into its standard C/ASM implementation, with functional correctness checks done to ensure that it conforms. SeL4 even goes a step deeper and confirms the correctness of the translation from C to binary: that the compilation was done correctly and didn't create any inconsistencies.
As of now, this model does not account for system initialization, low-level MMU model, caches, multicore, and covert timing channels, but it does make the following provably impossible.
That's a lot more than you can say for other kernels. Others of this type tend to not only be slower, but offer no guarantees of functional correctness or translation correctness, no isolation of trusted/untrusted processes, only estimates for worst-case latency bounds, no guarantees of storage channel freedom, possibly a high timing channel prevention overhead, and limited mixed-criticality support
Carson Walker
Ya know, this sort of system would make a great hypervisor as well. It could run virtual machines and make IPC calls with them. With seL4's isolation, it would be secure as well, as it would keep the bloated, legacy code away from newer, more safely designed code.
Noah Reed
An interesting point that an user made here was about the military
That's because this stuff is actually already being used and researched by the Department of Defense's agency DARPA, as part of their High Assurance Military Systems Program. They can both retrofit their existing systems with this newer, more secure platform, such as with Boeing unmanned Little Birds or the US Army's autonomous trucks, as well as develop new technology such as drones and intelligent ground vehicle bots (which are kinda cute tbqhfam)
Cooper Gomez
Do remember that you don't prove things secure, but rather prove invariants hold. For example, we could prove that there are no buffer overflows or that superuser only functions can not be run by regular users.
Xavier Green
The examples section is where I'm a bit too brainlet to explain, but there is quite an interesting diagram here at third pic related showing how this virtualization idea from earlier plays into the design of a HACMS UAV. Certain components that haven't been implemented in a trusted manner such as camera and Wi-Fi are contained in a separated Linux instance, while others such as crypto implementation and drivers for radio and controller area network are run natively directly on seL4.
Jack Campbell
Putting it all together. This is true military-grade security, which is being worked on in the US, UK, Australia, and Canada.
Caleb Bennett
Contribution to seL4
Alexander Brown
It doesn't matter how secure OS will you do, because your (((Intel))) CPU has another CPU inside it with botnet closed operating system, that spies on you and sends your keystrokes to Israel
Julian Murphy
So did WPA2. Then they read the spec and realized it was brain dead retarded. Formal proofs only prove that the spec is implemented correctly. Issue is that the formal spec is probably almost as difficult to read as any source code would be.
Ian Hernandez
if it's made in C and ASM, then this shit cannot be safe
Tyler Brown
Sauce code here
github.com
An operating system that can utilize seL4 and other microkernels of this type.
genode.org
A look at its architecture
genode.org
Road map. This year they plan to work on making it usable for common use cases.
genode.org
They already accomplished one of their goals (OpenJDK support).
genode.org
Robert Nelson
Not for long. SeL4 supports ARM, and ARM becoming more powerful and accessible. Applel has been playing around with the idea of moving macs to it, there's server systems running on ThunderX chips, and System76 is working on ARM workstations and laptops as we speak.
Juan Perry
"""military grade"""
Jayden Kelly
Also tagged processes and threads - you could set tags on processes and threads and they can only request syscalls/call functions/load libraries which are tagged the same tags a process/thread is tagged. Any other syscall/function call/library load either silently fails or errors. Only user can set tags. This will surely be a bit more secure since a calculator app wouldn't have access to FS, low-level graphics, or encryption but it will have access to mathematic functions and high-level UI API.
Kayden Ortiz
a smart lightbulb which thru an encrypted ZigBee protocol? connects to bridge which then using an encrypted VPN connects to company's server/your home server and allows you to control the lightbulb from your office using REST/GraphQL/whatever shit
Isaac Foster
You can defuse the Managment Engine thing by setting a HAP bit and removing the ME firmware from your BIOS/replacing it with a program which starts up a simple HTTP server which outputs a picture of a cat on every HTTP request
Oliver Wilson
This. It's a lot like how capability-based security is commonly described.
en.wikipedia.org
Oliver Ramirez
When I originally told you "All is botnet" I had already seen the future this is to come.
Wyatt James
Fags like OP continue to not use real time operating systems properly, so I can't take them seriously.
You are wasting your time with a RTOS if you do not understand the mathematics involved with the proof verification that governs it. Your CS degree is worthless here.
Jaxson Brooks
Arm has the same problem, if not, worse.
Blake Cook
Thanks for all the unreadable thumbnails
James Campbell
Protip: if you click them you get a readable image of the slide!
Matthew Foster
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Lucas Peterson
I find that hard to believe. ARM is not the retarded duopoly that we have with Intel and AMD. There's a lot of different vendors that can make ARM chips.
And, failing that, there's always RISC-V, which seL4 also supports or at least plans to support, as does Genode.
Landon Nguyen
Ok, I'll make the logo
David Hall
Someone beat ya to it.
Isaac Hall
Is it normal for my nipple to get hard when I poop? I'm a hetero male, fwiw
Jace Richardson
Yeah it's fine, breh
Sebastian Parker
Do we aim to write this in a functional language LMAO?
Hunter Richardson
So what you're saying is that non-privileged components have absolutely no way whatsoever of accessing privileged components or using it in any way? This sounds like a huge bottleneck by default, and if they're even given a single chance to access privileged components by the kernel, then that opens up loads of potential breach points which defeats the whole purpose of the kernel. Unless I'm acting like a retard who has no idea what any of this means.
Jason Gray
Slides look like Microsoft kernel engineering talks from 2015...
Windows 10 HAS a secure isolated microkernel for the critical stuff like random number generation.
Chase Morgan
Unironically yes. The specification was in Haskell from what I understand.
Oliver James
Yeah you are, but thats ok.
Nathan Bailey
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Jose Jenkins
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Ayden Cook
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Luis Powell
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Jayden Morales
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Bentley Long
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Aiden Wilson
I wonder (((why))).
Colton Sullivan
This. Forth on bare metal.
Ayden Torres
Kike mods are trying to get TOR banned. Don't let them get away with it!
Michael Baker
I smell rats.
Anthony Miller
Holy fuck what is going on in this thread
Samuel Wood
Reminder that paid jewish zionist shills are posting in this thread.
Parker Flores
Free software, epen seuce is what invited the shite we have today