Germany to Ban Tor

Ian Jenkins
Ian Jenkins

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19399576
I've linked the Hacker News page since it provides human translation
They want you to face jail, if you provide an "internet based service", which "accessibility is restricted due to specific, technical precautionary measures", and which "purpose is to allow or encourage specific illegal actions".

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Cameron Long
Cameron Long

Mit dem Gesetzentwurf, den der nordrhein-westfälische Justizminister Peter Biesenbach (CDU) auf den Weg gebracht hat, soll ein neuer Strafbestand eingeführt werden.
Translation: Peter Biesenbach is virtue signalling with this _draft_ of a law.
Good thread, OP.

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Landon Foster
Landon Foster

i2p

Levi Gomez
Levi Gomez

They want you to face jail, if you provide an "internet based service", which "accessibility is restricted due to specific, technical precautionary measures", and which "purpose is to allow or encourage specific illegal actions".
OK. It's clear what they're targeting with this, and it ain't tor. So where's tor come in?

Juan Brown
Juan Brown

most specifically, tor access isn't restricted. You don't need to know the counter-sign of the Black Hand, you just need to download TorBrowser.

Joseph Wilson
Joseph Wilson

it's just a draft bro!
Thanks for proving you have no idea how legislation works.

The law is vague as fuck, and a fair share of higher ups in justice circles have said they want to ban Tor, most recently by Krings (undersecretary, CDU) during the European Police Congress.

Andrew Scott
Andrew Scott

I wouldn't rule out them being retarded enough to believe that needing to download and run TBB counts as restricted accessibility in and of itself.

Jose Garcia
Jose Garcia

Thanks for proving you have no idea how legislation works.
LARPer spotted.

Isaiah Martin
Isaiah Martin

This right here BTFOs all the "Tor is compromised!" CIAniggers. It's clearly not, because governments are scared enough of it to legislate against it. Why would they need to do that though if they had it backdoored? Seems to me that it's actually really solid security-wise, and that a certain (((narrative))) isn't holding up.

Austin Williams
Austin Williams

what is controlled opposition
what is whitewashing
what is FBI agents entrapping FBI agents and both getting a raise
It doesn't prove anything in either direction.

Samuel Kelly
Samuel Kelly

He's not wrong, though.

Jace Miller
Jace Miller

Well they will do everything to make their jobs easier. But whoever thinks Tor is fully secure is fooling themselves.

Jaxon Richardson
Jaxon Richardson

Having to download Tor/TorBrowser is a specific technical measure that restricts access.
What you need to understand about German law is that it goes by the literal wording of the law (and the documents that described the intent during the creation of it, but that only in extreme cases)

James Howard
James Howard

The chances of the government accepting this draft are lower than the planet exploding tomorrow.

Germany is so serious about the privacy of their citizens, they nearly banned Google for collecting data without permission (which is why Street View is only available in the larger cities).

Case dismissed, shut up...

Parker King
Parker King

In some countries, even using VPN is also illegal.

Only government-approved VPNs are allowed to use
China, Russia, Iran, Oman

Illegal or restricted or fully banned
Turkey, Iraq, Turkmenistan, Belarus, North Korea

Restricted for Individuals
United Arab Emirates (UAE)
Anyone uses a fraudulent IP address to commit a crime or prevent its discovery shall be punished by imprisonment or a fine of up to $400,000 depending on the nature of the crime. Using a VPN to use Skype might cause penalties, too. Worth mentioning that banks, companies, and institutions can use VPN’s freely, it is only individuals who are prohibited from it.

Andrew Campbell
Andrew Campbell

The UAE...
Can't ever decide between being a Shariah Shithole, or a Giant Tourist Magnet. I'm like: "Make up your Mind! Either you want freedom for your people, or you don't!"

As for the other countries, I didn't know Iraq and Belarus were on the list of fully banned.
Iraq has ironically the free-est internet in the entire surrounding, and Belarus recently put in many government and human rights reforms and is openly distancing itself from Russia due to "creative differences".

Jack Long
Jack Long

"purpose is to allow or encourage specific illegal actions"
As far as i understood it's just about being able to jail people for advertising illegal services instead of needing to prove that they actually provide them.

David Garcia
David Garcia

Germany is so serious about the privacy of their citizens
Not in the tiniest bit you goddamn redditor. The only time privacy is suddenly important is when politicians get their data leaked. Then it's the biggest crime on earth.
The rest of the time mass surveillance is totally necessary especially because of the invaders. They don't even call them refugees anymore. Now it's people who fled. (From what is not included) And it's not just mass surveillance. At non-state-encouraged demonstrations there are tons of government spies who make photos of all demonstrators and record everything.
t. German

Jeremiah Perry
Jeremiah Perry

Even if they have some stupid laws written by tech brainlets to capitalize on some sort of mass hysteria, it doesn't mean it works in the slightest.
Russia has like 5 VPNs on their "government-approved VPNs" list (they all located in Russia), the rest just told them to fuck off. And they didn't do shit afterwards.

Colton Myers
Colton Myers

I know an American who moved to Germany to study Law there for practically free.
"It's not worth it," she says, "these people are crazy. The laws are great, but nobody cares when new legislation can't comply with earlier ones. Try to talk about it and they give you that stupid stare. Sometimes I think I'm in a mental asylum."
I imagine it's a fault with the people not just because they don't understand the topic but they wouldn't even if you made a children's book about it.

Evan Phillips
Evan Phillips

It's just a question of when. They will keep pushing the proposal again and again. The majority of citizens will slowly get desensitized to lack of freedom while the smarter ones get resistance fatigue. Then it will quietly pass during a holiday.

Colton Foster
Colton Foster

From what I've gathered from her almost mad bouts of anger it seems almost all legislation is passed quietly and the people simply doesn't care.
It's almost like work work but also in keep laws keep laws. "They literally cannot conceive of bad laws."

Elijah Rivera
Elijah Rivera

Now when I think of it I might understand the other East Coasters. They always used to speak poorly about Europeans and Asians. Not the lands, or cultures, but the individuals.

Isaac Richardson
Isaac Richardson

Only government-approved VPNs
Kek. I didn't even know that was a thing.
It basically defeats the whole purpose for a VPN.

Matthew Wood
Matthew Wood

that stupid stare.
Sometimes I think I'm in a mental asylum.
The words behind the stare:
<This stupid bitch actually thinks this occupied and defeated country enjoys any kind of rule of law?

Eli Edwards
Eli Edwards

fuck the kikes and all the other authoritarians

Cooper Sullivan
Cooper Sullivan

This.

Dominic Wilson
Dominic Wilson

Install kosher java!

Nolan Barnes
Nolan Barnes

i2pd and Kovri are both written in C++

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