The era of cloud computing

10-15 years ago I remember everyone and their uncle self-hosting their own forums, teamspeak/ventrillo servers, IRC Bots, ect. Now all I see is Discord, Youtube, AWS/Azure, and all of these highly available macro-services hosting content as managed services instead of people just going out and getting a server host content on. Is it because "real" business class internet is so expensive? I know that in the US it is next to impossible to get decent upload on a residential like for under $150-200 a month for most people (seriously what the fuck Comcast, $180 a month to get 35mbps upload?).

Most of my fondest memories were posting on small, obscure chans or forums that were self-run and not owned by some corporation.

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Where I live it's literally not possible to get a decent upload speed no matter how much you pay, there's just simply no option for it and I have not been able to figure out if there's someone I can contact to discuss a proper server plan. I can't host any meaningful servers because of that.

Cheap and fast

so what? Upload from a datacenter. That costs less than what you're paying for residential internet anyway.

what changed is that businesses realized that they had nothing to gain from open platforms, and everything to gain from walled gardens. That's it. The economic realities or the viability of self-hosted open platforms haven't changed. Actually, recent abuses have made the self-hosted platforms even better of a deal: you never lose advertising because some unrelated faggot offends some unrelated faggots. You won't be shut down in response to a Washington Post article. Your speech won't be policed by pajeets who only technically speak 'English'.

Cloud Computing is just a newspeak way of redefining pre-existing concepts and turning them into a botnet. Look at the terms with me:

Infrastructure as a service (IaaS):
Wikipedia definition:
"Infrastructure as a service" (IaaS) refers to online services that provide high-level APIs used to dereference various low-level details of underlying network infrastructure like physical computing resources, location, data partitioning, scaling, security, backup etc.

So it's literally just a CDN.

Platform as a service (PaaS)
NIST Definition:
The capability provided to the consumer is to deploy onto the cloud infrastructure consumer-created or acquired applications created using programming languages, libraries, services, and tools supported by the provider. The consumer does not manage or control the underlying cloud infrastructure including network, servers, operating systems, or storage, but has control over the deployed applications and possibly configuration settings for the application-hosting environment.

So it's literally an online library.

Software as a service (SaaS) (GNU Prefered: SaaSS, Service as a Software Substitute)
NIST Definition:
The capability provided to the consumer is to use the provider's applications running on a cloud infrastructure. The applications are accessible from various client devices through either a thin client interface, such as a web browser (e.g., web-based email), or a program interface. The consumer does not manage or control the underlying cloud infrastructure including network, servers, operating systems, storage, or even individual application capabilities, with the possible exception of limited user-specific application configuration settings.

This is the equivalent to a limited loan shell. DaaS (Desktop as a Service) is word-for-word a full Loan Shell.

There are three newer-forms of the Cloud-Computing platform which are cancer that a person in the field couldn't even explain to me. It is all newspeak, redefining terms, and making buzzwords for the computer illiterate and the idiot millennial "Web Dev" to latch on-to proprietary services.

It's nothing like a CDN.
I'm not sure what that even is, but that's wrong too.

High speed connection to your home or colocation in a datacenter + hardware is usually expensive. You can get a decent VPS for around 5-20 €/$ a month depending on your needs, so it makes sense that many people choose that route.

Elaborate

A CDN is pretty much a large network of caching proxies. IaaS is pretty much like getting access to an api for a VPS hosting company. You can create new VPS whenever you want, create images that they deploy with. Choose where you want them to be. Migrate them between data centers, etc. You also get access to infrastructure for storing data / backups which you don't plan on reading from. It pretty much handles the problem with setting up servers allowing you to focus on development.

PaaS you can of like shared web hosting except instead of users just being able to upload their website, they are just able to upload their application. Once their application is uploaded, the host handles everything related to actually running the application.

All those services got shilled hard because the big corporations noticed that they could control everything if they could get everyone to use their services for absolutely every single thing.
Who's going to risk pissing off Google if it means losing your email account, your cloud storage (which Google is shilling as primary storage with only a small local part), your calendar, your blog, your Youtube videos and playlists, your music, and probably a dozen other things I've forgotten to mention? The reason they're starting to clamp down now is both that they think they have enough power to pull it off without losing all their users and that they got frightened by a right-wing resurgence, so different from the usual neo-cons and business-socialist leftists.

So again it is a special-use loan shell primarily accessed through a web browser or specialty software

this
also the fact that VPS have the ability to keep multiple images of your server alive if you so choose for higher availability and failback, in addition to the fact they get to treat their servers like cattle vs yours as a pet

until you can scale up into something like a Cassandra/Hadoop/etc. cluster of nonlocal disks (in which case, you have become the datacenter) you have to do your own backups to somewhere off site as well, in case your house bursts into flame, which means accepting some sort of off-site SaaS solution (Backblaze or w/e) or make tapes/discs/cold copies and mail them to people you can trust (who do you trust with your data?)

I am running a Dell r710 at home as a domain controller and despite doing my own backups to cold copy disks I still feel at risk for the housefire or lightning strike meme. I keep a VPS for shitposting purposes specifically to host forum software for friends, but like hell do I trust my host not to rat me out or snoop around.

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It IS the peple going out and getting a server to host content on, what's the difference?

I want self hosted email (no-one I know encrypts, cock.li is a perv but still a top 3 provider) but I don't want to get my outgoing mail dropped because that shit can get me fired if I miss 20 emails.
Advice?

Host with a reputable business provider. Cheap, residential, and bulletproof providers are often blocked.
Get a .com domain, because retard admins will block whole top level domains.
Setup your mail server according to the guidelines provided by blacklist and anti-spam services. These fuckers are anal about mail headers should look.

This. It's all a mean for oppression. Not saying you are oppressed now but you might get into such a situation and then it's too late.

I noticed that I couldn't even receive emails from my college through a cock.li email.

You could use your employer's mail infrastructure for business e-mail and your own server for personal e-mail. That said, the number of MTAs that silently fail when your message cannot be delivered is minuscule. Usually, the worst case scenario is a delay between sending and getting a bounce. I've come across exactly one report of a silently undeliverable message in 4 or 5 years of helping run a self-hosted Exchange instance for 40-ish users where all IT complaints end up on my desk. I also have never had any trouble with my personal self-hosted mail when I used Postfix and later OpenSMTPD on a VPS. In any case, beyond the one fluke I mentioned, delivery failures have always caused my MTAs to warn the sender. Any diverging behavior is likely unintended by the remote postmaster.

Also:

This is true, and I would add that you should query spam blacklists from your server every now and then to see whether it got added, e.g. on mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx (maybe cron a mail sent to the ping@ address listed, if you're going to use their service which I will shill for free; they've been real good to me over the last decade).

The main problem, all this aside, in my opinion, is incoming spam. Using one or more of the blacklists mentioned in the above link (or others) could help but might result in erroneously blocked or spam-filtered messages. I don't know what the state of FOSS anti-spam sieves like SpamAssassin or whatever is like now so you're on your own. Also think about how you'll mitigate DoS attacks, e.g. someone spamming you with huge e-mails.

Define that term please.

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I don't like distros with pre-installed, integrated packages but if that's your thing, it looks to be as good a solution as you'll get. Certainly better than using Google.

I don't have enough knowledge about a solution to this threat to have a 'thing' about it, one way or the other. I'm merely looking for an effective means to solve it with my limited technical knowledge atp. He makes all the source freely available so that at the least bespeaks of a degree of honesty at the least.
code.freedombone.net/bashrc/freedombone

And by the phrase 'better than using Google' I assume you mean simply using the typical normalfag things like gmail and googledrive?

Yes. However, understand that freedom has a cost. Examples: hardening, maintaining, fixing and (very important) backing up the various parts of your infrastructure, services and data all becomes your responsibility. If something breaks, you're the IT guy and your services won't work unless you wrestle them into submission. There's also some special considerations if you're planning to host from a home/personal ISP. Examples: ports might be blocked (or might get blocked at random in the future), you likely don't have a static IP and you likely can't set up rDNS. All of this considered, if you don't know what you're doing, you probably shouldn't start homegaming critical infrastructure you truly depend on (e.g. e-mail) but go right ahead and start up a Freedombone for the NextCloud or XMPP or whatever if you feel like it. The Tor integration might help.

My reaction to glancing over this post: hmm, okay. (clicks reply)
My reaction to reading more closely: :/

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the problem i have with the word "cloud" is that seemingly everyting other than "bare metal" dedicated server gets labeled "cloud" nowadays

file storage? cloud
vps? cloud
hosting service? cloud
iaas, paas, saas? all cloud (also its essentially vps with more limited access, like, you literally could just allow a user to drop his apps or whatever into a remote dir, allow only that and some basic control functions, and call it paas)

that shit is pathetic
the only thing worth mentioning here are vms and hardware virtualization capabilities that allow that bullshit
and vms have been around like forever, and first intel and amd cpus with hardware virtualization support have been out in 2005, which is far before everyone jumped onto that hype train
like wtf

Centralization is more efficient but comes at the cost of independence, which is the best thing about the internet abut the 'future' of devices will just be displays and weak computers connecting to these servers, absolute control.

A Loan Shell is an older term for a remote-access Mainframe. SDF can be classified as a Loan Shell. It is usually payed access, but now-a-days it is usually free.

I will also add that I first became aware of the term when emailing RMS and asking him about SDF several years ago. I no longer have the email, so don't ask for it.

Everyone literally agrees that the cloud and centralisation is the future. We should be accepting it and giving up. There is nothing that can be done anymore.

If I buy my own server and start renting its capabilities, will I become "the cloud"? LMAO

Hosting your own shit isn't hard to do at all these days especially if you use something like docker. I've been hosting my own shit for years. 0 cost besides a new case for the server made with old parts, ISP never gave me trouble and I don't have millions of users so bandwidth is not an issue. Feels pretty nice to have my own file cloud with infinite space. The biggest problem is email being filtered by domain as mentioned before, but unless you are constantly cold emailing people (ie. you are the spam) it's only a minor inconvenience. Just ask them to check their spam folder. Occasionally you have something like a job application where you don't have that luxury, but you should have a backup email for that anyway.

The big problem with self hosted is the attitude of the community. People hoard expertise and get distracted with petty religious arguments instead of making straightforward solutions that just werk. A lot of tutorials are shit because people care more about proselytizing their autistic philosophy about command lines or whatever than explaining how to set something up with minimal effort. You have to learn everything the hard way. On the one hand, I can sympathize with not wanting to spoonfeed retards. But on the other hand people always complain that self hosting isn't more common. Well, there isn't because the resources for learning it are unnecessarily obtuse and a lot of intelligent people who have interests besides tech don't have the time or patience to deal with the likes of archwiki (I mean it's a nice resource but you have to admit it's autistic as fuck).

it's because the peons are gay consumer fucks

centralization is the future
No, it is more expensive than self hosting for certain use cases.

Which is why cloud is the future. Selfhosters will die out of their own hubris.


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we are literally the last people on the internet to care about ownership.

Reread my post. My post mentioned nothing about ownership, but rather the cloud is not the most cost effective solution for some problems.

You're right and it's a very sad thought.

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I wonder (((why))).

The Semitic influence is strong with this one.

I'm seeing a lot of bot posts spammed around here. Be careful anons

Whatcha sliding Chaim?

Lots of shills in this thread.

Kike mods are trying to get TOR banned. Don't let them get away with it!

A lot of these posts seem to be automated!

Europeons need to burn in a tar-pit. Disgusting