I do not like smartphones. The whole concept and idea of smartphone seems completely stupid for me...

Not only making phonecalls is kind of the point of smartphones, isn't it. I also wouldn't use a toaster for making pasta.

That excuse for a platform calls itself "phone", so IDGAF.

isnt that only for micro sim? at least a year ago the phones that were sold were all nano sim.. might be even smaller now but i would not know since i dont check these often.

its basically a pda with a new name that they can use for marketing.

100% this. War on general computing. You cannot have access to your own device except in trivial highly regulated ways - you can run new sandboxed apps pre-approved by the mothership.

Repairing, updating, or re-purposing with alternate operating systems is forbidden.

I pray PC's don't die before there are phones and tablets outside of this botnet, and I'm not even religious.

There are not.
From mobile phone I except ability to communication in every moment and mobility. It is mean that this device has to be small, lightweight, solid and should works on battery at least one week. So then smartphones are not good mobile phones in comparison to feature phones.
There are also not good computers. There are just useless toys.

No. Back in early 2016 I used the ruler&scissors method to converted my bog standard miniSIM to nanoSIM. Worked and still does. The actual chip within the smart card is smaller than the contact pads, and nanoSIM dimensions extend slightly beyond them.

convert

Smartphones let me access the internet whenever I want to, without having to lug around a laptop wherever I go. That is invaluable. The internet is not just a bunch of normalfaggot social media sites, it's a gargantuan collection of information.

Rooting, flashing custom ROMs is easier than ever now. I'd trust my girlfriend to do it with no preparation. There's also things like F-droid now, so convenience doesn't have to go out the window.
Nevertheless, what you said is true.

Feature phones also have internet browser.

Not for me. I'm able to do email and other communications, look up allergen info for restaurants while on the road (my daughter has a peanut allergy), read PDFs, etc. I have a bluetooth keyboard and occasionally do some programming in Termux. Do I prefer my desktop or laptop? Yeah, of course. But in a pinch, my inexpensive smartphone works okay.
Can't agree with you there. It's fine as a mobile phone. Where it sucks is in comparison to landline phones, even 30 years ago. The sound quality was much better on those, and there was no annoying delay where you and the person you're talking with start talking over each other.
Some people are able to take pretty good photos and videos with their smartphones. I can never seem to, but that's fine, because I don't take photos very often anyway, and when I want to, I have an actual camera I use for that.
I keep location services turned off on my phone and generally don't use the GPS functionality, as I like to know where I'm going and how to get there before I leave. However, I have occasionally taken a wrong turn and ended up out in the boondocks, and the navigation feature has been helpful a couple of times in helping me get back on track or letting me know I was already headed to a major road instead of deeper into sister-fucking country.
You're certainly entitled to think smartphones are shitty, and I'll agree that there are a lot of shitty things about them, e.g. privacy issues, lack of security updates, etc. But while you may not have a use for a smartphone, which is fine and good on ya, m8, calling them an "in practice totally useless device" is just absurd. Get real, nigger.

I have tried several smartphones (Nokia N97 mini, Huawei Honor 4X, Apple iPhone 8 Plus, Motorola Moto Z² Force) and every time I went back to feature phone after no more than 3 months.
I have enough experience to say: this kind of devices is totally useless and I can not understand why it is so popular.

people could live fine without them before. those are just excuses by lazy social media addicted retards.

Except that's fucking bullshit. They're just Linux embedded devices. Show me just one non-cherrypicked Android phone that you can tap into knowing the IP address. You're like the retards that go OMGZ Windows is so insecure, my uncle got it full of spyware after downloading porn.zip.exe!!!111
Sure, if you install chineesium apps from the jew store they can spy on you to the extent the permissions allow it to. The solution: disable (or use a rom without) Google Framework Services, monitor net activity with packet sniffing tools.
Im that respect it's not just like Windows doesn't get (extra) malware if you don't do stupid shit, but unlike Windows, the built-in spyware can be removed or avoided by using an open source build of the OS or disabling a few APKs showing unwanted network activity on a packet sniffer, and only using open source applications from the fdroid repos. You even have the fucking Tor browser. I'm not saying you need to post instructions on how to make zyklom b from your phone, and leave it at home if you plan on burning a mosque, but it's good enough for most things IMO (unless you're in, say, the top 10000 most wanted by the NSA, in which case you should consider yourself watched by an analyst at all times unless on a strictly offline machine, and even then I'd lay off the fetish porn just in case they get you with TEMPEST or physical intrusion.

Lurking boards, reading PDFs, looking up maps, listening to audiobooks or studying with Anki doesn't require typing at all. Nobody's saying you should throw your desktop in the trash. Why would you rather not have a computer in your pocket than have one? This was the kind of tech I dreamt about when I was a child (admittedly without the spying and general kikery but still).

Yes, but that's better than no computer and I can put it in my pocket. I used my phone to write code for 3 months after my laptop broke.

No boodloader control + worse hardware control (though desktop is hardly better) = CIA nigger honeypot
And Linux per se is probably vulnerable, like, I wouldn't bet my ass on its security for sure. Did Google-submitted code for Android devices get a fucking audit? Probably not.
If I HAVE to do it because you have no control over Google software, I don't wanna do it at all. Like, staring into packet logs is not fun, unless you know what you're looking for. Cheerypicking software that might not even work would make sense if I actually got more control over the device first.
Can you do it for any Android device under the sun though? Is root available for everything? Do I have to write rootkits myself?
Because it's less shitty in that regard for desktops. Heck, you can modify BIOS or whatever even.

What I was getting at there was the fact that smartphones indeed brought the age of Net-connected handheld devices upon us, but they do not provide nearly as much control over the execution as desktops/laptops do.

Surprisingly, I like tablets for this purpose much more LOL. Though they do have even less use.

Rooting is possible on many device, but manufacturers do everything they can to prevent it. Boot-loaders are locked and increasingly only loading signed OS - ARM supports secure boot via Trust Zone now. There are glimmers of hope, but the machines are designed by default to lock you out, and the masses have accepted this as viable, unoffensive, even necessary.

wtf. Surveillance is an architectural consequence on cellular networks, enabled by the 3rd party doctrine. Your phone, not by virtue of OS, user space, browser, etc, but simply by virtue of using the celluar modem to access shows up at dates and times on cell towers. Your location is recorded, and sold to the government without a warrant, and no dumb phone will save you from that period.

root probably is but custom roms are only available for very few expensive models

by your logic then a laptop is just a shitty stationary computer.

but thats exactly what it is

but it has some advantages. you can bring it with you.

You can do that with a desktop too, it's just slightly less convenient.

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I liked the age of beepers better. You weren't beholden to be available at all times and you weren't expected to keep up with some idiots social media profile 24/7. "Oh, sorry bro, I saw your beep but I couldn't get to a pay phone." *a day and half after the call* "Sorry, I was so busy I couldn't get at my answering machine until now"

It's just a feeling of too much pressure to keep up with stuff that's not necessary.

I take it you've never done LAN parties?
Setting up desktops isn't too hard, especially if it's an ITX box though I don't have one of those., and you've just got a few more things to plug in.

It's nice to have notebook you can carry in your pocket, take it out and record a shitty 5s message to someone.
That's basically all there is to it.
Nice to lurk through it too, and bedlurking is comfy.
Only pain in the ass is it sucks to type or make proper posts.

but you cant compare that to a laptop of course. just like op is comparing his phone with his computer and his system camera and so on. its an all-in-one fits-in-your-pocket super device. in fact, i bet op wasnt even around when michael knight was talking to kitt through his watch and kitt could show where they were going on map on the screen on the dashboard. it was all science fiction at the time and now every kid is walking around with phone-camera-gps-musicplayer super-devices in their pockets complaining over how shitty and slow they are. insane.

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I use it to study flashcards. Why are you such an anti-smartphone faggot OP? i do think theyre invasive as fuck so i do at least cover cameras and removed the fingerprint scanner

Good thing you don't expect strong encryption, because you can only get that on a device with a strong CPU and the chance to run user provided software.
Learn Englis, Rajeet. What's up with so many Indians shitting on this thread?

Xiaomi unlocks your device for free and without hurdles. They give you the tools.

Fuck off with your spam threads nigger

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Good idea user, but don't you think that idea is a bit too Jewish?

Good idea user, but don't you think that idea is a bit too Jewish?

Holy fuck what is going on in this thread

Wow. Just wow.

The Semitic influence is strong with this one.

Yikes. Where did all this misogyny come from?

I wonder (((why))).

I'm pretty sure you'd like this, I know I do:
thelightphone.com

You can get your numbers transferred onto a new sim.

This guy understands it. It's not a catch all super device, it's a general utility device. I don't need a high end camera to take a quick picture of something. I don't need a laptop to look up a pdf of a allergy advice menu. I don't need a laptop to check my e mail when I'm out and awaiting something important. You flip it up, Press the screen twice and then turn it off.

They're a problem when you let them consume your life. They're useful when you use them as catch all utility devices for brief uses of a computer/the internet. It's especially good if you're out walking or cycling and need a map. A laptop is way too big and heavy, and traditional maps are easy to get lost with. Open up built in map, find your way back to some where you know or your destination and off you go.

I know its gay botnet, but have you ever tried samsung dex? its pretty fucking nice for normie stuff. most normies, in fact, are satisfied with it as their "computer," and can do everything they want/need to on it.
fast forward a few years and we'll hopefully have linux phones that do the same thing.
lol you're about to be wrong, FAST. smartphones are going to take over until there aren't any computers except for big rig mining machines and scientific apparatus. but you'll probably be dead by then you boomer. smartphones are pretty gay, but they are getting very powerful. the applications are getting more and more competitive to the pc market. many are merging as one and the same.

someone should get a k120 and turn it into a phone i'd carry that with me over a smartphone.

I don't even want to know what this is

Navigation and emergency calls are the only things I use mine for.

what if there were a holster that were rfid blocking. or pants pockets that did that. protects the user from harmful radiation (i think) and also limits distracting notifications to only when you take it out.

The problem with smartphones, besides all the huge privacy and surveillance issues, is the fact that _people invent use cases for them in order to justify their price and existence_.
You're never going to respond to them anyways because you're on your 30 minute lunch break. If you do respond to them, it will be after you have eaten or at the very end of your break.
You could have checked this on your desktop/laptop before you left or you could ask the waiters and/or chef about the allergens at the restaurant itself.
No. You're not going to be doing anything serious for your job using this. If there was an emergency, you would not try and work around the intricacies of such a setup and would instead find your way to the nearest suitable non-pocket computer. This is the pinnacle of inventing use cases.
You can access the internet using a feature phone and many of the feature phones have a good enough web browser for whatever stupid shit you just have to look up right this second.
Comparing cellular triangulation with Google sending 30 location updates an hour without your consent, saving all your voice recordings and voice searches (while also using them to improve voice recognition) without your consent, having stupid applications like solitaire or a blue light filter require access to phone/text metadata or needing GPS turned on, is a false equivalency of the highest degree. Tracking the location of a phone using cell tower signals is completely different than the advanced persistent threat that is the modern smartphone.
Any flip phone. The only smartphone that I would ever consider using again, and I would be doing some mental gymnastics for this, is the Blackberry Curve 8330 (or any of the 8300 series).
But seriously, a flip phone and a handheld GPS navigation system are both cheaper and have longer lasting batteries than modern smartphones.

maybe you should consider just taking the bus

what about mobile businesses?
you give google your consent for them to track you. otherwise you dont use their services. theyre gay but theyre not hiding it, most people are just too dumb to know that.
my smartphone has 250+gb of music and local media. dont use cloud backup.
you can root your phone and get rid of google services (not all botnet, but all of the bloat)
I travel for work and 90% of my emails are done on my phone. Just because you're slow at typing doesnt mean it takes me 30 minutes for an email. gmail has a slide to complete function.
smartphones are for normalfags. but everyone has to go into this gay real world for stuff. theyre a great utility for getting shit done.

Smartphones are kiketech made for niggers and retards. Full of ads and spyware. Ever notice how every attempt to make a libre hardware phone turns into vaporware? (((they))) don't want you to have it.

Laptop works perfectly.
Maybe you do but I certainly do not.
Great. Again use a laptop. If you're specifically talking about listening to music in your car because of "mobile businesses" then you don't need a smartphone for that. Most automobiles, for almost a decade now, allow you to play music from a usb thumb drive because they have a usb port near the dash and/or in the center console.
You still have all the botnet. You cannot turn on that smartphone at all without loading non-free shit to load the cellular radio. Fun fact, the cellular radios are tied to the CPU so they are always able to be turned on and load their bullshit.
Good for you but let's not pretend this is only possible with a smartphone. Additionally, just because this is specifically convenient for you, does not mean that it is for others. Consider other solutions whose sole value is not just convenience.
I am not slow at typing on a smartphone, I've used swype on every android phone I could. This slide functionality you're referencing, called swype, is not gmail's functionality. It is the functionality of the android operating system. It is one of the keyboards that ships with the OS by default. This just shows how much you know about the technology you use which is obviously very little.
If you think that the only ways of getting things done are the methods that are the most popular, convenient, "attractive", and constantly sold/shilled to you, then I have a bridge you might like to purchase.

airplanes? trains? subway? audiobooks?
I can load every single document I would ever need on my phone. edit live spreadsheets for teams, etc.
no no no. gmail has an autocomplete feature to slide on the text field and complete the whole sentence based on what you usually say or what people usually say.
I start to type: Please l
and it completes: Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns,
Look, my argument is that if you are doing business where you're constantly on the go, you cant just whip out a laptop and find wifi all the time. it isnt practical. the losing competition does that. If you're in another timezone you don't have the convenience of time to "get back to the office," because you may be ahead or behind your client's. If you need to get something sent by 5pm their time, for example, you can easily miss it if you can only do so on a laptop. without doxxing myself, I have a type of work that pops up sporadically with new projects and clients. Trust me, I don't like being connected all the time, but I have to be to perform well. I can, within the minute, start managing an order or sending documents to someone, among other things. It's basically a laptop, like you mention, except I truly can keep it with me, and it has internet everywhere I go.
as stated, I hate being connected all the time. when I take vacations I leave my phone off or at the hotel or whatever. rfid blocking sleeves would be cool. botnet sucks but you have to manage with the cards you've been dealt. I'm not going to say no to success over botnet concerns. on my personal laptop, I can sperg out on systemd-less artix and other crap all I please, like that eom68 pocket card.

I didn't know about this. Thanks for the correction.

Which is why they have made laptops that accept sim cards and mobile broadband modems for the last two decades. Business laptops have had them built in for years too. They have even had them as usb plug n play devices for a long time as well.

Just gonna fix my gay shit.

I didn't know about this. Thanks for the correction.
Which is why they have made laptops that accept sim cards and mobile broadband modems for the last two decades. Business laptops have had them built in for years too. They have even had them as usb plug n play devices for a long time as well.