Nobody is trying to get rid of X11 despite the fears of the FUD meisters ITT. Wayland was never designed or intended to get rid of X11. The purpose of Wayland is to implement a way to compose graphical windows in a way that did not rely on the X11 protocol. The idea is that if you really wanted to, there was nothing stopping people to run an X client on top of Wayland. The X11 functionality was intended to be an option for those who need it and not a mandatory requirement for those who don't need it.
X11 Is Quickly Going Into Maintenance Mode, In Favor of Wayland
Benjamin Long
Owen Edwards
It didn't use to be that way before all those desktop environments, but whatever. I'm glad I left Linux behind over a decade ago. And if Open/NetBSD become cucked, I'll move on as well. Would have adopted Windows if I wanted normie freedesktop.org and SystemD type bullshit.
Cooper Hill
But that's just adding layers of complexity for no good reason. If someone really wanted to use x11 they wouldn't even bother with wayland or a wayland compositor in the first place. They would just run X11.
I don't believe in the X11 is going to die meme, because it's currently and probably will stay the most used display standard on *nix systems. It has historically so much support that dropping it randomly would throw away more than half of *nix programs.
Considering that linux still uses a directory structure based on unix because of large support i would think this would be a similar situation.
The thing i do think is rediculious is having distros drop any x11 version what so ever in favor of wayland+xwayland. If someone is in the rare situation looking for pure fps performance in something like video games, and obviously wine isn't going to get ported to gtk3 anytime soon. There is a good argument for providing a version without wayland and sticking with a pure x11 setup.
The performance overhead caused by running a graphics stack ontop of yet another graphics stack does cause a good amount of slow downs to justify it. For people who never used linux for games it's understandable.
The reason i think people are concerned about wayland "replacing X" is generally out of experience of how linux development works.
When something new comes out there will inevitably be that ONE program that uses it and only uses it. Which will make users of pure x11 feel obligated to "upgrading" to wayland+x11 and so on.
I think the argument on both sides is being played wrong, wayland either needs to go all the way with replacing X and find some way to get rid of the overhead or X needs to become better or capable of running wayland under it as a way of removing or hacking around the overhead.
As is, wayland is a solution to a problem that most endusers were never aware of, so it's push seems irregular when it isn't actually irregular at all. And the performance hit will cause backlash despite it actually being faster if the application was native to wayland.
Most people look at xwayland not as a just reason to use wayland, but a reason to hate it.
Dominic Walker
You can try and make another initramfs that blacklists nvidia's own modules and only loads nouveau to boot into a wayland system without having to switch over the whole system
Dylan Parker
lol. I'm just a larper, but it would be cool if someone made waylandx, and X wrapper around wayland, instead of the other way around.
Benjamin Miller
Aside from being the result of bugs rather than intentional design, from what I can tell, this seems to be confined to downstream from Wayland, at the compositor or DE level, rather than a flaw of Wayland itself.
Brandon Kelly
It breaks everything, even inputting uppercase characters. That's how shit wayland is.
Colton Thompson
Nicholas Bell
Haha user, why aren't you using a toolkit? Look there is one maintained by one of the biggest groups inside the same organization that made Wayland!
Jacob Allen
last I checked, it's fucking shit.
mouse sensitivity issues with any laptop touchpad (synaptics/elantech/anything)
usb mouse have weird 'hardcoded setting' for acceleration and smoothing that's unplayable for even a board game. makes good mouse a shit for no reason.
also, wacom devices barely work with x11 and you can only imagine how wayland handles it - it doesn't.
they're outright telling us that they could shit up the code
classic cianigger
more like botnet, that is where the future is, and systemd too because you're the same CIA niggers trying to fuck up foss for years.