The reality of open source games.

Jason Rogers
Jason Rogers

Redpill me on open sourcing my games.

Will people mod them?
Has anyone here do it?
What's RSM opinion on open sourcing my games on github.
Can I make money from open source games that relly on a donation button?

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Levi Long
Levi Long

I don't know a single good open source game

Can I make money from open source games that relly on a donation button?
No, nobody will donate. also, if your game turns out to be good some jewish game development companies will just steal your idea and release commercial product and get rich on your idea while you will keep being poorfag

why would you release games for free in evil capitalistic jewish society? you could do that in socialism or communism, but not in a system that we have

Austin Howard
Austin Howard

godot makes 10k on patreon, and I'm sure there's more games who make money on patreon (mostly porn games).

Tyler Bailey
Tyler Bailey

Xonotic

Austin Garcia
Austin Garcia

Doom 1 and 2

Joseph Morales
Joseph Morales

Noone wants your shitty games anyway.

Evan Adams
Evan Adams

Barony, Quake I-III (and mods, and projects made off of those engines or forks of those engines), Doom I-III (and all related things to those like all their custom content and engine-based things like The Dark Mod), OpenMW, just to name some stuff off the top of my head.

Adrian Gray
Adrian Gray

Will people mod them?
Yes, check out minetest, it has a lot of mods.
minetest.net/
content.minetest.net/packages/?type=mod
Has anyone here do it?
Ok, now I'm a bit confused. Is it valid English? Shouldn't it be "Has anyone here done it"? I haven't because I don't have any games made by myself.
What's RSM opinion on open sourcing my games on github.
He would probably use the term "free software", instead of "open source" and he'd use Savannah savannah.gnu.org/ instead of Github, but making your games free software would make him happy.
Can I make money from open source games that relly on a donation button?
It depends. There are people using cracked, proprietary games and they only buy games when they can't download them for gratis, but on the other hand there are people buying a game, even if they don't have to, for example I bought supertuxkart, just because I really enjoy the game. So forcing people to buy your game would probably be more effective at making money, but if you advertise your game correctly and tell everywhere that your game is a free as in freedom software and make for example special items, skins, services, dedicated servers, etc. I think you could succeed, of course if your game is good. I know myself people who spent over 400$ on skins, so it is possible. The other thing you can do is publish the source code under a free software license (better a copyleft license, co fat dicks can't steal your game and make it proprietary and you forgotten) and artwork under license requiring people to pay, but this can cause people less like your game - for example there's a game Penumbra Overture, and its source is published on github, but to obtain the artwork, you must first buy a proprietary version, because the artwork is licensed differently. Almost no one knows Penumbra Overture is free software and I didn't see any modifications based on it around. Even Penumbra Necrologue is based on nonfree Amnesia, instead of GPL'd source code.

Ian Young
Ian Young

I don't know a single good open source game
supertuxkart, minetest, Penumbra Overture, teeworlds, hedgewars
libregamewiki.org/Main_Page

Leo Campbell
Leo Campbell

Tremulous was pretty good back in the day. There's no reason why there can't be a good community maintained team-based FPS, or an open source RTS like Starcraft Broodwar, but there isn't.

Brody Wilson
Brody Wilson

Star Ruler 2's an open source(d) game that's on Steam and that people can still purchase for money that goes to the original devs. It's amazingly moddable (the AI and GUI are both completely written in the extension language, for example) and people still mod it.

Tragically unpopular though.

Caleb Collins
Caleb Collins

What's RSM opinion on open sourcing my games on github.
I asked him once, he's fine with the game being commercial as long as the source code to the engine is Free (libre). So for example Doom which you have to pay for, but can get the source code to the engine is fine in his eyes.
Can I make money from open source games that relly on a donation button?
Donations are hard, you are competing with pretty much every game out there. As someone has said, porn games seem to be working well with the donation model, but only as long as you can satisfy some weirdos' fucked up fetishes. Probably the best thing to do would be to just make a commercial game with a Free engine.

Colton Davis
Colton Davis

opensource old games, forget about making anything new, not worth the hassle of opensource development clouding your creative control.

John Wood
John Wood

the "good open source" game library consisting of flash-game level shooters, shitty mariokart and minecraft ripoffs

Oliver King
Oliver King

Quake and Doom are not open source
they were developed as closed source in commercial private company, developers were paid, someone managed the production. later they released source code. this was not open source development

Donations are hard, you are competing with pretty much every game out there. As someone has said, porn games seem to be working well with the donation model, but only as long as you can satisfy some weirdos' fucked up fetishes.

Open source donation-ware pedo game when? I'm in. who else?
if we won't have real company they won't be able to close it or sue it

let's make a game about child fucking. or first you pick up kid, try to not scare it away, then slowly work to have it open it's holes for you. pedo-adventure game. or maybe just child fucking simulator?
I'll start by downloading CP and watching it to see how the game should look and how the gameplay should work. post some CP links to help me if you can

Carson Thompson
Carson Thompson

I'll start by downloading CP and watching it
<he has to download CP first
<not having terabytes of CP on triple encrypted HDD that you store in a hidden hole under the floor

Dylan Collins
Dylan Collins

I'd just like to say that RMS played doom.

There was a time when a copy of Doom was installed on a computer at MIT. Many of the students in the group that my office was in played the game, and needing a distraction, I played it too. But I discovered that I did not want to play it the same way they did. I treated the game as a challenge, and worked out how to pass each level with full health and ammunition without cheating. They seemed to simply like moving around shooting, using the cheat command as necessary. The gory corpses of enemies disgusted me, so I tuned them out in my mind, but the students seemed to revel in the gore of these imaginary deaths. Eventually I concluded that playing the game was having a deleterious effect on my mind, and stopped.
https://stallman.org/archives/2005-sep-dec.html#07%20December%202005%20(People%20who%20play%20violent%20video%20games)

Jason Morgan
Jason Morgan

I wanted to send a mail to RMS to ask him what he thinks about games with free engine but nonfree data (like classic DOOM), but I do not have time to engage in a conversation with him, although I know he normally answers such kind of emails.

But in one of his articles on video-games at gnu.org he links to a website warning that nonfree game data can actually contains nonfree software: gnu.org/philosophy/nonfree-games.html

Jackson Davis
Jackson Davis

this is funny
I wonder if RMS ever fucked a child and if he could review it just like he review playing doom

also would like to see Terry A. Davis review playing doom or fucking a kid

Lucas Rodriguez
Lucas Rodriguez

github.com/ca3games/Godot

I need opinions on my github licence, bros.

Bentley Gomez
Bentley Gomez

put a pair of tits in it and thirsty&lonely nerds will donate. Or maybe try to make a game that's actual of value and not an embarassing cash-grab. I think people would support that out of sheer astonishment.

David Rodriguez
David Rodriguez

how to email RMS to ask him what he thinks about pedophilia and child pornography?
kids should be open and shared, not proprietary in hands of wealthy jews. everyone should get the chance to ejaculate inside tiny horny hot little girl

also, if child pornography is produced for free, using your daughter, then distributed for free on Tor and Torrents, does RMS support it? it is in line with Free software and Open source philosophies
maybe cameras that record sex with children should be open source and open hardware, though?

Tyler Murphy
Tyler Murphy

put a pair of tits in it and thirsty&lonely nerds will donate.
or even better, pretend to be a female developer, show "your" sexy photos and videos

Or maybe try to make a game that's actual of value and not an embarassing cash-grab. I think people would support that out of sheer astonishment.
they wouldn't. if you made game of actual value and sold it commercially you could earn 50 times more than from donations

Leo Price
Leo Price

ehh, I feel the market is pretty dead now for creative input. It's all about connections and PR. Trying to make it with videogame development is like trying to start a band. Sure, you might make it without connection and all that shit if you're talented and lucky but it's more than likely that you won't, even if you're reasonably good at it.

Jayden Thompson
Jayden Thompson

If people would actually read the shit that is on his website they'de realize what a huge autist he is.

Julian Brown
Julian Brown

I think he would say it's OK as long as it was (0) mutually consensual, (1) recorded using free-hardware running free-software into a free video format, and (2) freely distributed under a gpl-compatible copyleft license.

The nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, "prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia" also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally--but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.
stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html#28 June 2003 ()

Nicholas Hall
Nicholas Hall

I wonder if RMS ever fucked a child
I wonder if RMS ever fucked

Liam Evans
Liam Evans

Etterna Online is open source.

Joshua Davis
Joshua Davis

moving the goalposts

Bentley Wright
Bentley Wright

allegedly (some user on some imageboard so take it with a metric ton of salt), he used to bang a few hippie commie chicks back in the day

Nathan Perry
Nathan Perry

an open source RTS like Starcraft Broodwar
It's open source? Where can I download it (the source, of course)?

Hunter Morgan
Hunter Morgan

I wanted to send a mail to RMS to ask him what he thinks about games with free engine but nonfree data (like classic DOOM), but I do not have time to engage in a conversation with him, although I know he normally answers such kind of emails.
What kind of time do you need to write an email? Are you a slave in a coal mine who gets three minutes off per day to swallow his daily food ration or what?

Anyway, I asked him (see ) and he's fine with those.

Liam Cruz
Liam Cruz

Cataclysm: dark days ahead.

Liam Fisher
Liam Fisher

being able to own your property is Jewish
getting buttraped by trannies and having all the products of your labour stolen by the government and given to people who refuse to work is not

You leftists are always funny.

Jeremiah Johnson
Jeremiah Johnson

github
gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.html

Connor Torres
Connor Torres

Having private property =/= allowing unregulated Jewish market corporatize everything

Chase Anderson
Chase Anderson

Will people mod them?
As with all games: If they get popular enough.

Can I make money from open source games that relly on a donation button?
There's a myriad of renpy (porn) games on Patreon that make good money, and those are sorta-open by default.

There's also the model where the code is open, but the assets aren't. See Ebony Spire.

Kayden Ward
Kayden Ward

GAAS and GAAP are both the only way to get developers to actually work on video games, and those methods are both proprietary.

Lincoln Flores
Lincoln Flores

Corporations are not private property, idiot. Incorporating a business is socialising it by definition. There should be no such thing as "publicly traded" companies in a free market. Also, implying the market has no regulation just proves that you haven't studied this subject enough; the regulations already in place exist to prop up corporations and create unfair disadvantages for private businesses and the self-employed.

John Rivera
John Rivera

corporations != foundations, idiot.

Jordan Anderson
Jordan Anderson

Lmao wtf

Grayson King
Grayson King

UT99 and UT2004 came with their own editors and most of the game was built using UnrealScript. Maps came in uncompressed form and you could do whatever you wanted with others' maps. You could learn from them or build upon them, courtesy excluded. Lots of mods came from the UT games, most notably Killing Floor. Carball was another, which Rocket League is very heavily based off.
Game modding is dead now. Games don't come with editors or even let you edit maps if you do come across editing software. Packages are cooked which prevents you from editing them. In UT4 the developers conveniently broke the functionality which lets you uncook packages. Most, if not all dependencies in a map are baked right into the map, instead of having mostly shared packages. This means mappers are mostly forced to use their own shit instead of what came with the game. To add insult to injury, a modern production-level map can be larger than 300MB. 50 decent-quality maps and that's already 15GB.

Elijah Robinson
Elijah Robinson

Will people mod them?
No.
Can I make money from open source games that relly on a donation button?
You might get a dollar every few years.

Open source games exist to sit as thumbnails in online galleries and get laughed at for being so shit. Nobody will bother carving your shit when they could just as easily take a big fat stinking shit of their own.

Yeah, because they give you morons the engine to make your shitware in. They actually provide a service people think is worth money.

Hudson Russell
Hudson Russell

Yes, it is worth it. There are lots of great open source games I've enjoyed.

Colton Cox
Colton Cox

You can make money on open source via crowdfunding

Camden Campbell
Camden Campbell

Stop trying to make money of your "creativity", and get some real creativity. You will never accomplish shit if it's for money. If you want money, go suck dick in an office like everyone else or find a smart way to get money. Make art on the side, don't sell it.
I don't know a single good open source game
Teeworlds is rock solid. Not really aesthetically but neither is any modern game. More in terms of engineering.
based

Kayden Clark
Kayden Clark

In UT4 the developers conveniently broke the functionality which lets you uncook packages.
asset encryption was done on purpose, probably because publishers.

This means mappers are mostly forced to use their own shit instead of what came with the game.
can still be extracted. bigger issue is accessing it in the first place because most UE games don't support modding to begin with.

You can make money on open source via crowdfunding
depending what and how you open it up you can easily sell open source games. quake etc was only open source for the code, not the assets itself (which got pirated then anyway, but that happens even without open source, so it's a moot point).

Lincoln Torres
Lincoln Torres

OpenTTD is very old and has countless mods available.

Kevin Ross
Kevin Ross

For this method, I'd recommend something like dividing your game into a demo and then the rest of the game. For example if your game is a game with a significant story plot, you could divide the game into chapters. You'd release chapter 1 as a fully polished game and using that as a demo to introduce your audience to the rest of the game.

Connor Bell
Connor Bell

Will people mod them?
If the tools are easy too handle, if the game is popular and if you provide them with a platform that is easy to access with filters like (most downloaded) then yes.
What's RSM opinion on open sourcing my games on github.
RMS as always said that making a living for you work is ok, he's done it himself by selling copies of emacs.
Can I make money from open source games that relly on a donation button?
Unlikely. The gaymen community is retarded as hell and if you let it be accessible in the gratis way they'll say.
LMAO CUNT YOU SHOULD HAVE ADDED DRMs OF COURSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY YOU FOR SOMETHING GRATIS! XDXDXD!!!!!

Here a model that you can do and also respect the freedom of your customers.
Sell your services. What does that mean ? Well to the contrary of a donation where you aren't forced to do shit and if you scam your whole userbase they can do shit.A service is a legal contract (depending on the country you live in) and they become officially your customers instead of random citizens that give you something. You have of course your obligation towards them (depending on country/contract). But you have a steady flux cash each month instead of once every time your mentioned somewhere.
You can for example propose them to buy 2 years of service at 5$ per month which is 120$ for two years.
You would need 240 people to get minimum wage (depending on your state/country) and if you do a good job more people will come and more people will stay. You have to be good a PR and be good with your code and make regular updates of what your doing. Also you need to limit the amount of cash that you'll get not only for tax reason but also because if you receive 8K per month and that nothing proportional to that money comes to affect your work/game/code then people won't understand why throwing more money at it doesn't work and they'll go away.
That way you can effectively make a living out of your work and make free/libre software if you get enough people to back you up. If it get popular and get a lot of cash influx (too much for you) you can even make your own entity and pay other freelance to make things happen.
I recommend using liberapay.com for donation/payment.

David White
David White

You can charge for open source games. You don't need to just have a donation button. Nothing is actually against the terms in GPL as long as you provide a copy of the source when you make the sale.

Jack Gutierrez
Jack Gutierrez

Why would anyone buy it from you when they can download it for free somewhere else?

Michael Thomas
Michael Thomas

The same applies to current proprietary games. You can pirate them, you know? Some people don't pirate due to fear of malware, or some people don't pirate out of convenience. Whatever it is, all you need is to find a way to make your full games not end up in some distro's repos, which you can do by giving them paid official servers if your game has online, or by making art assets proprietary (which is what Doom and Quake did, and it's something RMS doesn't mind as much because he believes art should be free but not necessarily libre, hence why his photos and slideshares use the CC non-derivative clause)

Aiden Jones
Aiden Jones

I bought a copy of Morrowind specifically because of the OpenMW project. The source code must be available with the game but the artistic works doesn't need to be freely shared.

Joseph Thompson
Joseph Thompson

Why would anyone buy it from you when they can download it for free somewhere else?
Then don't put it up for download for free (gratis)? Open Source and Free Software do not mean freeware.

The same applies to current proprietary games. You can pirate them, you know?
This. When it comes to proprietary software people all of the sudden act as if the license alone prevents all types of coying. I used to pirate quite a lot when I was a kid, but I stopped because quite frankly it was not worth the hassle. If a game developer thinks they need to shove DRM up my ass and nickle and dime their customer, then the game is not even worth my time, let alone my money.

I actually bought Barony in part precisely because it is a commercial Open Source game. These people deserve money and promotion more than the rancid AAA shit.

Brayden Cox
Brayden Cox

Honestly, In regards to my earlier post (>>1075041), I think education is the answer to really get the word out about this kind of technique. I talked to a few game devs about going open source, and they either had no clue they could do this (charge for open source stuff and just have the art be licensed) or they were under the impression that free software was the same as open source development (they had to actually set up a github and allow people to make pull requests with shitty code).

Sure, you won't save AAA games by telling them this. The only developer that might have ever been close to doing that is id, and we all know that will never happen again. Big companies treat the GPL like the plague. A lot of indie devs just don't know about this, though, and would probably we willing to release source if they knew it wouldnt actually change anything.

Lucas Russell
Lucas Russell

just charge for the binaries for brainlet gamers

Kayden Campbell
Kayden Campbell

being able to own your property is Jewish
<he thinks he owns non-free software
hue hue

Juan Morgan
Juan Morgan

Most roguelikes are Libre. Nethack's pretty good.

Adrian Cox
Adrian Cox

team-based FPS
Ever heard of Xonotic?

Connor Johnson
Connor Johnson

Doom 1 and 2 were freeware, they were only OSSed after cresting in popularity. That was also only the game engine, all the assets were and continue to be paid only.

Stallman, you've been saying this for 50 years and still no one believes it. Just because you don't label it so, doesn't mean it isn't a donation in everything but name.

clone
clone
when the Bundle made more than $1 million, Overture's source code was released as open source
An actually viable business model, stockholme source.
shitty 2d platformer
shitty 2d platformer

Lucas Bailey
Lucas Bailey

What ever happened to it? I played it a ton back in the 1.1 days.

Jackson Ramirez
Jackson Ramirez

Doom 1 and 2 were freeware
No, they weren't. They were shareware: the first episode is freeware, the rest of the game you had to pay for.

Kayden Reed
Kayden Reed

clone
clone=bad.
An actually viable business model
No it's not. It's literally bait and switch gamble.
Overture's source code was released as open source
The software needs proprietary software to work. It's under GPLv3 but if you need visual studio to compile it then they failed to respect the users freedom it.
shitty 2d platformer
2d=bad

Nathan Gutierrez
Nathan Gutierrez

Realistically, fully open source your games are doom to fail unless you have other way of funding it.
I guess the codes and underlying system can be open sourced, but the assets, names, story, characters and etc should be legally copyrighted. That way you proved that your game is not full on botnet trojan horse while you get to protect your projects and sell it. Copycats can only fork the game and have to make bootleg assets themselves.

Daniel Cruz
Daniel Cruz

Episode 1 for Doom and Heretic were shareware, and that's really it. The rest at best had a small playable demo of a few levels (Hexen, Strife). Doom II didn't even have that.
But... Chex Quest was 100% free and had all the Ultimate Doom levels and even most textures and sprites in it! You can actually make yourself a nearly full UD IWAD by creative use of deutex with chex.wad and doom1.wad (the shareware episode).

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James Cook
James Cook

You can for example propose them to buy 2 years of service at 5$ per month which is 120$ for two years.
If you write a contract, you also need to limit the amount of time you spend per customer, otherwise you'll have to do fulltime work if a single guy pays you.

Samuel Miller
Samuel Miller

if you need visual studio to compile it then they failed to respect the users freedom
False. The requirement for free software is the freedom to study and modify the software. Access to the source code is a precondition for this. Overture's source code is available for the users of Overture to study and modify. This is no different for a free software game that's written in Unity. The game may rely on a non-free engine but the game code itself is free. It's the user's problem if they want to change the build system to some other build system.

Benjamin Phillips
Benjamin Phillips

Wait that was actually a thing that happened?

Hudson Scott
Hudson Scott

I'm currently writing on a ncurses game in lua/luajit. I use ne as a text editor and luacheck as lint. I'm writing the entire thing on an A20 board, connected to a 12 inch 800x600 screen. The setup consumes about 8-9W while working on it. I might eventually make a fake-text interface in löve or SDL. This is all entirely possible and the machine is fast enough for the task.

Current game "developers" are brainlets that don't know how to do something if they can't click it together in some fancy GUI. They're even worse than webdevs, some of them can at least write a few lines of code without having a visual representation of what they're doing. Their lack of talent and understanding makes them easy prey to companies that lower the bar of entry with proprietary solutions. All these complex, proprietary engines are a antithesis to FOSS, not only because of the fact that the engines are non-free, but also because their complex and often production pipeline that depends on proprietary software doesn't make them open to easy changes, even if the game code outside the engine is free and open source. This also doesn't only apply to games. If you can't pick a simple, free editor and make the changes you want in a reasonable way and recompile, it's essentially non-free.

Jaxson Nguyen
Jaxson Nguyen

0. AD
Battle for wesnoth
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup
Endless Sky
Freeciv
Hedgewars
HyperRogue
Moria
NetHack
OpenTTD
Open Arena
Open RA
Shattered Pixel Dungeon
SuperTuxKart
Teeworlds
Xonotic

Open source with proprietary assets:
DROD series
Mari0
Seven Kingdoms
Spelunky

Austin Rivera
Austin Rivera

Yeah, the Chex Quest devs worked directly with the UD IWAD, and simply replaced whatever resource lumps they needed to in there, rather than creating a PWAD file. Then they bundled a modified doom.exe (renamed to chex.exe) that loaded the IWAD they had renamed as chex.wad. They only modified the IWAD header string to "PWAD", but if you simply change that to "IWAD", then you can use it like such
prboom -iwad chex.wad
The game startup messages:

prboom v2.5.0 (prboom.sourceforge.net/)
M_LoadDefaults: Load system defaults.
default file: /home/fox/.prboom/prboom.cfg
found chex.wad
IWAD found: chex.wad
PrBoom (built Feb 25 2016), playing: The Ultimate DOOM

Does pic look familiar? I took that after selecting "episode 4 - thy flesh consumed" from the main menu in PrBoom.
Now the Chex Quest devs did actually make a lot of changes and limitations to their chex.exe build, which are described by Chocolate Doom's author, since he did some work to get his port to behave (almost) exactly like the chex.exe. This is the comment section at the top of his chex.deh file:

# This is a dehacked patch for emulating the chex.exe executable that
# comes with Chex Quest. It is generated from automatic scripts used
# to compare chex.exe with Final Doom's doom2.exe. The purpose of
# this patch is to allow Chex Quest to be played accurately with
# source ports; it will not work with Vanilla Doom and DOS dehacked,
# as some of the string and cheat replacements are longer than is
# possible with dehacked.
#
# Because of the limitations of dehacked, it is not possible to
# completely emulate chex.exe merely with a dehacked patch. Although
# this patch takes care of the majority of the changes necessary, the
# following changes are also necessary to accurately emulate chex.deh:
#
# * Monsters should not drop ammo
# * The game should end after the fifth level, instead of the eighth.
# * The episode selection screen should not be displayed.
# * The level warp cheat should always warp to episode 1.
# * The automap should show the level name for the episode 1 level,
# eg. the displayed level name for E2M3 is the level name for
# E1M3.

But anyway, yeah almost all the Ultimate Doom resources are present in the chex.wad file, and most of what isn't can be found in the shareware episode. The only parts I'm aware of that would be missing are the cyberdemon sprites (and maybe his sound effects too), so you'd have to replace that one monster and that's basically it.

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Andrew Long
Andrew Long

0AD
it's not even finished and it barely has any mechanics. it's an rts with only 1 base, where you chase a deer across the entire map for food, and half the units dont even work yet.

battle for wesnoth
literally fucking trash. it's like the poor man's, poor man's shining force.

open arena
it's a copy/paste of quake 3, so of course it's good

freeciv
it's missing a lot of the little things that make civilization decent (civ still isn't a good game) but it's alright for about an hour or two.

the rest look terrible. you couldn't pay me to play some piece of shit racer called "super tux cart".

Elijah Lee
Elijah Lee

xonotic
terrible

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Carson Young
Carson Young

the rest look terrible
Translation: I'm too lazy to try the games or do any research so I'll just call them terrible to pretend that I have an argument.

Luis Brown
Luis Brown

i'd rather keep playing aeon genesis smt, thanks. convince me otherwise or stay mad, i'll be here playing good games made 4 decades ago that beat anything open source ive tried.

Anthony Davis
Anthony Davis

If you write a contract, you also need to limit the amount of time you spend per customer, otherwise you'll have to do fulltime work if a single guy pays you.
You're right about the contract, but you're complicating they way to count the hours and what the customers are paying you for.
You need to establish an amount of time of work per week be it 40/45 hours. I also suggest that you should provide proof of that work via live stream your workstation or live stream camera of your room.

As for what your customers pay for they agree to pay you and in exchange you spend time to develop a named video game.

As for the amount you want or need, you need to know first establish what kind of project and then estimate how much time you need with a certain amount of manpower you have.
After establishing the amount of people needed you need to establish how much your salary will be each month.
That way you can estimate how much contributors you need if they pay you a sum of money per month.

If you have an overflow of cash I suggest to spend it in training courses or to hire other freelances to enhance you or/and your teams coding skills. There are a lot of people
If I had to suggest someone it would be greg young he's good and does that.
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Charles Parker
Charles Parker

Cataclysm DDA is also a good one. It's a post-apocalyptic roguelike and probably the most complex one (real complexity, not 2391983913891 sorts of leather BS) I've ever seen.

If you want to be a good game developer, have fun developing the game. Don't plan it with the idea of fleecing some stupid nerds on patreon while offering the game for free. All free games that stuck with me were a labor of love.

Logan Moore
Logan Moore

It is, it barely even compares to what it's trying to rip, quake and UT go laps around it in terms of quality.

Charles Diaz
Charles Diaz

I dont know of a single good open source game
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