Can you justify FOSS?

Jack Rogers
Jack Rogers

At this point in time, I've given so much data out already and I'm sure my address and everything about me is publicly available somewhere online. Even Zig Forums keeps logs and details about posters. I won't even go into the whole "If you want privacy, you have something to hide" philosophy. I get that privacy is a valid concern and that companies should not exploit your personal data for market bucks. Obviously FOSS isn't doing it to defy the government, it's common knowledge that things like Tor and DuckDuckGo are honeypots, and even things like Startpage have questionable antics; FOSS is to fight the Jew and mainstream culture. That, and things like Linux are cool to get into and customize. But for what reason, exactly, do you have to value your privacy? Is using software that often runs worse really worth it so that telemarketers don't know you like Pikachu cock vore and alt-right memes? I don't mean this rhetorically or in a baiting manner, I'm just generally stupid.

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media.8ch.net/privacy.pdf
whyprivacymatters.org/
invidio.us/watch?v=V9_PjdU3Mpo
invidio.us/watch?v=Hjspu7QV7O0
invidio.us/watch?v=pcSlowAhvUk
invidio.us/watch?v=y5-0llHaZDs
invidio.us/watch?v=PoctNo-lHHM
nytimes.com/2019/04/17/opinion/data-privacy.html
freedom-to-tinker.com/2017/11/15/no-boundaries-exfiltration-of-personal-data-by-session-replay-scripts/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WannaCry_ransomware_attack
propublica.org/article/whats-the-evidence-mass-surveillance-works-not-much
vwm.sourceforge.net/
sourceforge.net/projects/twin/
tvision.sourceforge.net/
sigala.it/sergio/tvision/

Grayson Peterson
Grayson Peterson

FOSS is weak
we need terrorism to win with our enemies. organized big terrorism, like Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda
we need violence, brutality, extremism, explosions

Grayson Anderson
Grayson Anderson

using software that runs worse
Worse than what?

What are you comparing, and how?

Isaiah Martinez
Isaiah Martinez

I don't have to justify myself to you glownigger.

Gavin Lewis
Gavin Lewis

Tox runs fairly worse than Discord. I'd love to get on that train and hate how much data Discord sells, but I feel everything that I use is selling my data and it would be difficult to go FOSS. Is it even worth it?

John Allen
John Allen

Said like a true discuck. Maybe don't use shitty software?

Nathaniel Reyes
Nathaniel Reyes

What is there to use? As far as I know of, the only FOSS VoIP software with any sort of community base are Tox and Mumble, not even sure about Mumble.

Noah Martinez
Noah Martinez

I'll take the b8

At this point in time, I've given so much data out already and I'm sure my address and everything about me is publicly available somewhere online.
Not an excuse to not care about it, nor try to hide yourself, I used to have quite a lot of info about me available before starting to care about it either, if I could do it, so can you

Even Zig Forums keeps logs and details about posters.
When a post is made to 8ch.net, the posting user’s IP (Internet Protocol) address is stored in the database, along with the parameters of their post (post body, subject, and name). The image they uploaded with their post, if applicable, is also stored on the disk. This information is retained in the database until one of the following happens:
the post is deleted by the owner of a board or one of his volunteers;
the post expires, or falls off the last page of the board due to new posts being made;
the post is deleted by the user himself if the board allows user post deletion.
The non-public data we keep (HTTP request logs and IP logs) will only be shared with US law enforcement at their request via a legally executed warrant. If the site was attacked by a DDoS, rogue global volunteer or rogue /b/ volunteer, the IP of the attacker may be publicly posted by the 8ch.net administration. It is not possible to legally get non-public data via any other method.
media.8ch.net/privacy.pdf
They keep the bare minimum for the site to work properly, if you're concerned about that, just post over tor

it's common knowledge that things like Tor and DuckDuckGo are honeypots, and even things like Startpage have questionable antics
software that often runs worse
see pic related

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Easton Cook
Easton Cook

But for what reason, exactly, do you have to value your privacy?
The amount of data we store on computers nowdays paints an incredibly accurate image of who we are, some things we just don't want others to know, things that can be used against us, no one who is under constant surveillance will try new things, deviate from the norm, try to grow themselves as a person, because they'll fear judgement.
And thats not even mentioning all the whistleblowers and activists whose lives pretty much depend on being able to avoid state surveillance.

Privacy is a matter of freedom and peace of mind.

See how the UK and China ended up due to a constant erosion of privacy and individual rights, this is one hell of a slippery slope, even if the data collected on us isn't used for malicious purpose today, it can very well be tomorrow, as I said, sooner or later someone you disagree with will come into power, and they should not have this kind of data.

And that's not even mentioning how these technologies are often innacurate and can be used to prove "guilt by association", which is a severe undermine of personal freedom.

A bulk collection of data, especially if handled by incompetent boomers in suits, will open the possibility for data leaks, and once that happens, not only citizen's personal information will be out, allowing for identity theft and other consequences, but also the government's own cyberweapons will be freely available for hackers to exploit, the WannaCry and NotPetya ransomwares of 2017 only happened because of a vulnerability called "EthernalBlue" developed by the NSA and leaked by the Shadow Brokers. There is no backdoor for the "good guys", once you purposly create backdoors and prevent companies to fix them, it's only a matter of time for them to be exploited

Last but not least (I could talk about this for days), there is no evidence so far that mass surveillance is effective in preventing crime

whyprivacymatters.org/
invidio.us/watch?v=V9_PjdU3Mpo
invidio.us/watch?v=Hjspu7QV7O0
invidio.us/watch?v=pcSlowAhvUk
invidio.us/watch?v=y5-0llHaZDs
invidio.us/watch?v=PoctNo-lHHM
nytimes.com/2019/04/17/opinion/data-privacy.html
freedom-to-tinker.com/2017/11/15/no-boundaries-exfiltration-of-personal-data-by-session-replay-scripts/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WannaCry_ransomware_attack
propublica.org/article/whats-the-evidence-mass-surveillance-works-not-much

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Logan Williams
Logan Williams

ancient meme loading messages
takes ages to start because there's always updates that don't change jack shit
ads every time you start it
universally used by braindead gamers

Discord is cancer, I literally just want to fucking join a voice chat server with friends to play games. Mumble does that perfectly, but lazy people with a subsaharan IQ can't set it up without thinking so discord becomes the trendy norm.

Same with all FOSS shit, if it's got even a tiny learning curve or setup time normies avoid it like the plague, even if it works much better. Then they'll put up with fucking anything to keep using whatever they're used to. Software is just like everything else in the world, most people don't rationally select it, they just pick what they're told is good/cool or what's first at hand.

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Caleb Sanchez
Caleb Sanchez

Interesting take.

<ancient meme loading messages
Never liked those.
<tons of updates and slow loading
Agreed, it's obnoxious.
<ads galore
Damn.
<universally used by braindead gamers
There are still people on the platform that are okay aside from not being FOSS.

Mumble seems pretty nice but I haven't found any servers to get it working on and still need to test it.

I've given FOSS a chance, a lot of it is pretty nice. Found Krita for one to be great software. Tox isn't too shabby either aside from minor gripes I have like it logging me out. I do wish more normalfags would give these softwares a chance though, I wouldn't mind leaving Discord, it's just that my friends generally refuse to leave it and I am in one good server.

Matthew Thompson
Matthew Thompson

I'm just generally stupid.
Best way to sum up the retarded drivel you wrote.

Josiah Rodriguez
Josiah Rodriguez

ok

Alexander Allen
Alexander Allen

Privacy and freedom are inherently intertwined. People who are oppressed out of their privacy are also oppressed out of their freedom.

Brayden Sullivan
Brayden Sullivan

no one's trying to kill me anyway so why do we need to keep laws that prohibit it??
Back in the oven, kike.

Charles White
Charles White

foss is best for server stuff. its good for most desktop stuff too but there are some things that could be better.

Joshua Rodriguez
Joshua Rodriguez

this. just go look on reddit or the other social medias if you want to see what happens when you arent like everyone else.

Christopher Anderson
Christopher Anderson

foss is best for server stuff.
Legit. IIS vs say Nginx, Apache, or Lighttpd is like a golf cart vs a Lamborghini. You can’t beat Free Software for low-level protocol implementation. Even on the desktop, libre programs are all really solid
They just need better user interfaces.

Caleb Young
Caleb Young

DDG is honeypot
No, it's just a normal search engine. As opposed to google that's a biased, censored search engine that promotes sites who pay them to. But either way, you don't expect to openly search for CP, drugs, and illegal stuff. Every search engine has logs of some sort and will answer requests by government to some extent, because they're bound by the laws in whatever country they're in. That doesn't make them a honeypot, which is rather a place specifically designed to entrap.

They just need better user interfaces
No, because that will attract a bunch of normies, and then the industry jews will come to take over with their CoC. Where normies go, the jews are soon to follow, because they always want to control the masses.
I'm perfectly content with "archaic" command line environments, and only man pages for documentation. In fact, I'd rather not use any GUI at all, ever. In the 80's, you had paint programs and word processors and such that could have some graphical elements in them without needing to run in a special GUI environment. In other words, the program simply ran in the framebuffer and brought with it its own custom design/widgets/etc., and when you exited the program, you got dumped back into the BASIC shell, or DOS, or whatever. And that was just fine with me, wish it had stayed that way.

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Joshua Cook
Joshua Cook

But for what reason, exactly, do you have to value your privacy?
Privacy means owning and controlling your data and by that owning and controlling your life. No matter if you have or don't have anything to hide, someone can hurt you if they know enough - for example by knowing where do you live or at what hours you're outside, someone could easily break into your house and steal everything, or even kill you. Also you're posting on Zig Forums, why are you here? Would you mind if I knew who you are? Do you trust people? Preserving your privacy is a mean of protecting yourself.

Is using software that often runs worse really worth
It isn't necessarily worse. I switched from Windows to GNU/Linux and I'm happy with it - my computer runs smoothly, I can pick what I want, no one forces me to update, etc.
But even if some things are worse, it's just a small sacrifice, compared to what you would lose using proprietary software.

Jonathan Gray
Jonathan Gray

Sure. If I run a company but have no intention to pay developers, and my business is not dependent on selling software, and my competition would not gain advantage from using same software, that is the perfect situation to got GPL. Instead of paying developers, you hire one social media manipulator for 1/100th the price of competent software developer team and trick nerds into doing all the development you need for free.

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Ethan Cooper
Ethan Cooper

There's a lot more to free software and Unix than muh security, faggot. nu/tech/ doesn't understand this and it's part of why we're overrun with rustfags, fags sucking off enterprise software, and other assorted shitters who've forgotten software and operating systems can be fun.

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Mason Peterson
Mason Peterson

The owner of (((duckduckgo))) is a (((jew))). The (((duckduckgo))) search engine logs your queries.
What do you think about NeXTSTEP's GUI?

Justin Evans
Justin Evans

I'm pretty sure all major search engines log my queries, would have to use a decentralized or self-hosted thing to get away from that. So I just don't search for anything weird.
NeXTSTEP looks fine, but I use twm when I'm in X because it's simple and already included with OpenBSD and NetBSD. And I use keybindings as much as possible, to avoid needing the mouse (not a fan of those things). One time (around 2011-12) I themed twm to look a bit like Amiga Workbench 1.3, just by changing colors, window decorations, and making a fake menubar at the top with embedded xclock. Also loaded the Amiga topaz font into xterm. That was kinda neat, but I got bored of it one day and didn't bother to save that stuff. Anyway now I don't use any window decorations or titlebars or anthing at all. If I were to install a 3rd party WM, it would probably be evilwm. But really I want something like pic or like TempleOS (but without mouse).
Related links:
vwm.sourceforge.net/
sourceforge.net/projects/twin/

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Connor Wilson
Connor Wilson

Niggerfaggotry is weak
Yes, because you value yourself more than nothing. Enough to save efforts for doing the same proprietary shit over and over, and to boil down the processes to just the things rather than trying to steal

Robert Collins
Robert Collins

just post over tor
Except the .onion needed to post over Tor (which shouldn't even be needed in the first place) hasn't worked for weeks.

Joseph Anderson
Joseph Anderson

gubmints spy on us anyway
so free software is pointless
What a non sequitur, op. I don't use free software just for privacy. I use it because it's gratis and works well, even in aging machines.

Gavin Hughes
Gavin Hughes

You're a fucking idiot

Jack Phillips
Jack Phillips

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Kayden Young
Kayden Young

Yeah, you forgot the part where it takes 10 minutes to load the catalog, when it loads at all.

Juan Rodriguez
Juan Rodriguez

Didn't know image uploads on tor work again. They were gone for years

James King
James King

the Tor is a honeypot meme
I wonder if its glowniggers spreading this shit so people will stop using Tor.

Sebastian Rodriguez
Sebastian Rodriguez

nice goalpost moving, you dumb nigger
it fucking works, you argued the opposite, being fast or not is another fucking issue

they still don't, i would have posted the image on the same post, but Zig Forums doesn't allow image uploading over tor

Isaiah Morgan
Isaiah Morgan

t. Cia Nigger

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Connor Campbell
Connor Campbell

The owner of (((duckduckgo))) is a (((jew))).
Ethnicity has anything to do with power
Any other owner could do the exact same thing, this is hardly proof of malicious intent. Vincent Cantfield had it right when he said you can't trust him, you can't trust anyone. Data is not and never will be secure, your best bet is to decentralize and rely on yourself as much as humanly possible.

Xavier Cooper
Xavier Cooper

nice goalpost moving, you dumb nigger
it fucking works, you argued the opposite, being fast or not is another fucking issue
<muh niggers
<muh goalpost moving
<muh aktshually
This isn't a fucking debate dude. It clearly doesn't work. What do you gain for claiming it does? Are you a fed trying to plant misinformation?
If you aren't, then grow the fuck up. You don't win anything for arguing semantics with anonymous people on the Internet.

Asher Sanchez
Asher Sanchez

gets called out on his bullshit
<g-grow the fuck up!
seeing you getting butthurt is what makes it all worth it, trust me, you're wasting your time more than I'm wasting mine

Luis Ross
Luis Ross

twm

That actually looks cool!
Can you post your config?

Cooper Clark
Cooper Clark

Yeah because you're getting paid for it you fucking shill.

William Davis
William Davis

That pic was actually VWM, and I haven't got a config for it because it has some Linux-specific bits that need to be changed to run on *BSD. Oh, and there's also a port of the old Borland Turbo Vision library (pic shows some of its distintive widgets):
tvision.sourceforge.net/
sigala.it/sergio/tvision/

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Connor Lee
Connor Lee

Is using software that often runs worse really worth it

You serious? Linux is faster than Windows, and even Microsoft employees know it. Why do you think they created WSL? It's because they are desperate to keep developers on their platform even though it's garbage and simple things like installing and using python are a chore.

If you use your computer like a tablet and watch youtube videos or jerk off to anime porn, then yeah why use open-source? If you have actual work to do or you have programming skills, you want to be able to solve problems on your own. I had a bug with my hardware once, wrote to the relevant maintainer, and got the issue fixed for me and anyone else using the same hardware. You think HP or Microsoft give a shit when things break for you?

As for privacy, what the fuck is wrong with you? Go upload your shit to Cuckerberg's faggot website and leave everyone else alone.

Robert Butler
Robert Butler

I wish I got paid to piss other people off on mongolian knitting forums

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Joshua Powell
Joshua Powell

, it's common knowledge that things like Tor and DuckDuckGo are honeypots
psssss
It's me.
shhhhh
Your Uncle Bob
I'm here, inside your head.
Listen now

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Samuel Smith
Samuel Smith

ad hominem

Grayson Cook
Grayson Cook

Owner of FuckFuckNo sold the data of users of his former site.
Ad hominem dismissed.

Matthew Rivera
Matthew Rivera

defeatist, without willpower.
FLOSS is the only good thing left in Zig Forums, the second it goes away...
Imagine faggots like you but getting actually penetrated by massive IoT dildos that are forcing you to endure it

Luis Sanders
Luis Sanders

No.

Jayden Parker
Jayden Parker

1561133028143
Yeah, no way a fed would also be a newfag copy pasting memes from 4cuck. No way, that has never happened before.

Nicholas Watson
Nicholas Watson

he sold the data of his previous site
therefore it is beyond any doubt he does the same with this despite being no proof of it
t. brainlet

Michael Gutierrez
Michael Gutierrez

Kill yourself shill. You'll never fit in.

James Brooks
James Brooks

outstanding reasoning right here

Mason Allen
Mason Allen

don't worry fellow right-winger, your tax money is being well spent on me

Kevin Powell
Kevin Powell

Windows is better for
muh games
and a few niche items like FL Studio

Carter Cooper
Carter Cooper

I'm well aware things like FOSS have more option for customization, but what customization can you do with FOSS exactly on a software basis?

John Cox
John Cox

Windows runs like absolute shit and also makes the end user jump through dozens of hoops to change basic settings because every user is treated like they're a dumb nigger.

Jacob Jackson
Jacob Jackson

I can look under my own hood. I can alter the code how I want. What more needs to be explained?