Digital annotation

Samuel Thompson
Samuel Thompson

Is it a tool for free thought or self datamining?

Wealthy actors are taking an interest in the sorts of private thoughts we would keep to ourselves 100 years ago, that's self-evident. Diaries turned into blogs and social shite. Now they want to know what we think about any given thing we read.

Personally I want a good useful system for annotation, one that doesn't break in the future. Lo and behold, the (((W3C))) has an answer! web.hypothes.is/blog/annotation-is-now-a-web-standard/

These hypothesis faggots had a hand in this development, no doubt. I've tried their system, it works the best and has the nicest interface. The problem being that they want your ass, your data, your most intimate sentiments on their servers. Hypothesis is a social network as much as an annotation system.

I don't mind the functionality, as long as I don't HAVE to share everything, but that's what they force you to. Nobody uses this glowy platform aside from unifags, obviously. hypothes.is/stream

Anybody else even give a shit about this topic? If so discuss. I think the social stuff could be powerful without accounts or PC moderation. Like a chan layer for the whole web, or Gab but not shit. Mostly I just want an offline type of deal though. If you don't take notes or reflect about the information you consume, you're like a docile cow aren't you?

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Ethan Anderson
Ethan Anderson

I'm not sure I get it. The W3C thing seems more like a standardized comment section. Where's the annotation part? If it's just the hypothesis faggots saying it you can probably brush it off as marketing; the whole "revolutionary!! form your own cummunity!!1 power 2da userz!cos(0)" part is blatant nonsense since there must be a server.

Ayden Reed
Ayden Reed

Just save that shit to a .txt file.

Samuel Garcia
Samuel Garcia

I'm not sure I get it. The W3C thing seems more like a standardized comment section. Where's the annotation part?
The SVG slides explain everything: w3.org/annotation/diagrams/annotation-architecture.svg

If you read it closely, the actual standard allows any amount of service providers to communicate between each other. It's just that hypothesis has the only working implementation (afaik). The other noteworthy thing about this spec is the social focus (thought control)

Well, no shit, I could go in the woods and live like a cave man too. Doesn't make the idea appealing.

Nicholas Martinez
Nicholas Martinez

Who even needs annotations?
I could just take a screenshot scribble on it and send it to whoever I want.
It would still work 100% even if the website is down!
service provider for sharing annotations
Great, annother control entity. As if we didn't have enough of those.
Shared Web annotations include provenance, so they will always have a link back to its original URL, and even a chain of attribution that shows everyone who shared it in a sequence. This is an important way to spread content while rewarding the original Content Creator.
an attribution chain
a fucking log of user IPs/accounts for an annotation on a website
rewarding someone for scribbeling on a website
I call botnet.

Remember that SVG files can still contain javascript and links to external resources which is all run by default.
No one fixed it and no one can upload SVGs in most places because they are just fucking insecure.
In order to make them secure you have to rebuild the entire SVG and have to make a whitelist of tags, attributes and values corresponding to the attributes.
Those are the people who did this to the internet!

What should have been instead: an SVG file in a zip (named svz for example) with other images and fonts. So you could do things like softsub images or encode a text with images from a website, an epub, an ODT, or anthing else without seperating the text or burning the text into the image.
The result: No annotation format necessary. The format svz handles the requirements already.

Ayden Lewis
Ayden Lewis

I've never need to make annotations, but I guess this is the way to go.
lynx -dump URL > something.txt
vi something.txt

Gabriel Barnes
Gabriel Barnes

text files are incredibly limited. They are basically useless for notes which is why sane people still use paper and pencil.

Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson

The structure the data with Lisp, XML, JSON, YAML, or HTML

Isaac Rivera
Isaac Rivera

Well for me they're not. I pretty much only ever use text files. And that makes them portable too, I can use them on any computer, including an ancient Z80 running CP/M (I write in english so don't even need unicode).

Lucas Gray
Lucas Gray

Computer information is end product based. This makes sense because mostly people used paper then got other people to put it into a machine, mostly for archive/searching purposes. Thing is we have kept this workflow even though we now mostly create stuff on a computer. This is why computer interfaces are trash for humans. There's a reason the Engelbart demo is 51 years old.

Yes and your notes are 100% worse than if you just used paper. ASCII art isn't even close to a crude sketch or line and bubble connection.
Just look at OPs picture. That would require a huge amount of time for a regular computer user to achieve on any machine. The only thing I can think of is to take a screenshot of a pdf, then get a tablet and write on the screenshot. At which point you might as well use paper and take a picture of the sheet of paper.

Nolan Hill
Nolan Hill

Just look at OPs picture. That would require a huge amount of time for a regular computer user to achieve on any machine. The only thing I can think of is to take a screenshot of a pdf, then get a tablet and write on the screenshot. At which point you might as well use paper and take a picture of the sheet of paper.
MS OneNote.

Brayden Hughes
Brayden Hughes

So if you want a structure to link your human language information together with other human language information, that's the exact purpose of HTML.

Ryder Kelly
Ryder Kelly

I didn't even see his image, because I'm using Lynx, and didn't bother to click the link. So I really have no idea what he posted. But I rarely need to make sketches (my notes are at least 99.9% text), much less any complicated sketch that can't be approximated in ASCII. Worst case I could make a simple GIF in program like xpaint/xfig, or even use a tool like graphviz. I've used these methods in the past, on occasion.
About the only time I actually pull out some paper is if I'm mapping an adventure game or RPG (I mean playing it, not designing it). Those don't need to get saved though.

David Moore
David Moore

Tagging onto the screenshot idea / onenoteĀ® idea, Xournal (specifically the fork Xournal++) are great if you want to annotate or do mathematics visually

Let me just find some random text I wrote years ago in my documents folder... oh wait I can't because I did all my notes on a picture my terminal/explorer can't parse.
txt (or more aptly rmd/org/tex/*roff) is infinitely more useful for notes because you can search through them and recall information much more efficiently. And as said best... who the fuck is drawing diagrams as an annotation??

Caleb Anderson
Caleb Anderson

he doesn't have document search engine for his machine
2019

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Caleb Hughes
Caleb Hughes

including an ancient Z80 running CP
Reported

Nicholas Nelson
Nicholas Nelson

Just look at OPs picture. That would require a huge amount of time for a regular computer user to achieve on any machine.
Nobody needs or wants to literally scribble all over web pages. Highlighting text and injecting comments is plenty sufficient for most purposes. But if it isn't standardized it's not worth using.

Leo Gomez
Leo Gomez

ah yes john, I am aware of that parallel with religiousText. Just give me a second to find it in my religiousText PDF I annotated
WHIRRRRRRRRRR
oh sorry 1000 PDF pages take a second
WHIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrr.. >alright its done loading, now let me just scroll through it and find where it is, I think it's about a third way through and is in either green or blue highlights, it had something to do with abraham, I have it marked down somewhere
WHIRRRRRRRRRRRR
sorry scrolling takes a toll on my poor GNU/Linux X220, good thing I have my slice battery in my backpack
ziiiip
click
KER-DUNK
oh here it is!
oh wait never mind that was another thing about abraham, give me a minute
45 minutes pass
dude I have it somewhere, I'll tell you about next time I find it, sorry about that bro

Andrew Rogers
Andrew Rogers

I don't know, personally I've been waiting for something like this for ages. Makes it easier to translate shit.

Chase Cook
Chase Cook

No they're not lol. Highlighting, "mind maps" and most diagrams are bullshit unless you're into electronics or some other branch of engineering. Only other excuse is formulas, for which you can use latex/lyx/word processors/whatever, or just keep it simple and use a notebook.

John Edwards
John Edwards

There's already a standard. It's called HTML.

Aaron Perry
Aaron Perry

it took his indexer 45 minutes to search through the documents

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Charles Brooks
Charles Brooks

With pdf-tools and org-mode in Emacs one can create plaintext annotations indexed against sections of a document.

The wilderbeast wins again.

Brody Lopez
Brody Lopez

do you not get it? you can't search text if you drew it onto a pdf like OP

Adam Morgan
Adam Morgan

Just jotted down some personal remarks about you dumb ass faggits, too bad you'll never get to read them :^) BTFO'd real good

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Jack Anderson
Jack Anderson

your too low iq for anyone to want to look at your notes

Asher Watson
Asher Watson

writes absolutely scathing comeback
deletes it
You'll never know how clever that was!

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Charles Thomas
Charles Thomas

9038 suicide in 20 minutes gg/Xq2uYaa