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Why does anprim trigger people so badly?
Michael Garcia
Henry Myers
Ok, fair enough, we shouldn't judge a tendency based on a strawman version of it. But there has been anprims like John Zerzan who criticised language and symbolic thought (some green anarchists even promote telepathy as an alternative mean of communication). All of this sounds less realistic and/or desirable than colonizing Mars, so where is the line between the memes and the real thing?
James Scott
pipe bombs
Aiden Young
Not a benefit, but a solution to a problem (and an actual problem by itself!) created by civilization.
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We lived without symbolic thought and communicated telepathically at one point in time. We never did (and probably never will) colonize mars. I think we can have another try at the former. But I guess the non-experimental line is agriculture. Agriculture is proven to be alienating, and pretty much the start of the deterioration of the human condition, the biosphere and the environment.
That's why I kind of lean for post-civ, as it's a little bit more realistic, but anarcho-primitivism (including its extreme critiques) makes extremely good points.
Landon Robinson
Chronic diesase is inexistent in hunter-gatherer populations.
Gabriel Miller
Solar panels are not a solution to a problem created by civilization (what a spooky word). Solar panels are an energy-efficient way of generating energy. Energy is not a problem, it is a tool.
Vaccines are a solution to viruses. Viruses predate "civilization."
Most books are not a solution to a problem created by civilization. Some are. Others exist for entertainment. Others seek to improve people's lives in ways shaped or not shaped by "civilization."
Trains are not a solution to a problem created by civilization. In a way, they're a key element of civilization itself, and are a solution to a human problem - namely, that we don't move very fast.
Antibiotics are used to treat infection, which is a problem predating civilization. Tumors predate civilization. Clothing is a solution to the cold, and can also aid in mating rituals. So on, et cetera.
You get a D for lack of critical thinking ability.
Carter Brown
There is no plural subject, only social atoms.
"People" i.e. industrialists LMAO
Honestly isn't that because they die at young ages if their immune system isn't robust? Not that I think this is a bad thing but it's an honest conversation people need to have about life and death and what it all means. Sadly socialists seem to think progress is the only meaning in this world, always trying to outrun death, and killing and maiming everything in the path of their frenzied fleeing into the future.
With telepathy you are starting to lose me, but there is something special about eye contact even between species.
Brandon Robinson
Proof?
Can’t wait for an asteroid to wipe us out.
Brayden Murphy
Needing energy is a problem created by civilization. And they are a problem by themselves, as they devour our planets' resources (though "ethically"… I mean it's green energy, right?).
No, vaccines are solutions to epidemics and common diesases spread thanks to high population and sedentarism, so civilization.
No, they are there to mediate and alienate the individual away from direct experience. That's needed to keep you under sedation. Of course, a book such as Elements of Refusal™ is not one of them. Non-jokingly though, that book is alienating and stuff, but it's cool that it spreads the critique.
Civilization created the problem of needing to traverse long distances, move lots of things in a small amount of time. We don't move very fast because we don't have to.
Antibiotics, maybe, but your response answers itself. Antibotics aren't a trait of technological progress—Neandertals used that stuff a long long time ago, and didn't need a sophisticated industrial civilization for it. And yes, infection was a problem then, but a very uncommon one.
Yes, of course? But cases of cancer in hunter-gatherer populations are so scarce it's not even a statistic. The only case that's been found is in a semi-sedentary Native American tribe. So that's a stretch.
Ok, cool, never said those things are terrible, dude. Maybe they are, but I never thought about it—I'd say if an individual can understand and create a technology, and be in contact with it in a very intimate way—that's a good technology. In other words, technology that can be created without division of labor and specialization.
No—the high infant mortality in hunter-gatherer populations is mostly because of infanticide. Look at the !Kung, for example.
Some poets say that lovers don't need words.
Isaac Richardson
I love you. Thanks for the tip about the !Kung too. Happy winter solstice.