About Positive Christianity

How did the National Socialists deal with the churches in the Weimar Era? And what were their (public) policies and beliefs?

They demanded freedom of religion, provided they do not threaten the German Race. The party stood for Positive Christianity but was not bound to any creed - as point 24 of the party programme dictated, something crafted mainly by Alfred Rosenberg and Dietrich Eckart, later called the "spiritual father" of the Third Reich, and influenced by the whole Germanist scene of the early 20th century, especially the Germanen Order and the Thulean Society that filled the ranks of the early party.

Now that was a purposefully broad descriptor. But why would they call the christianity of the main churches as "negative"? Here is some on their beliefs and works:

"In the case of the struggling young Christianity, for example, the Jews, quick as a flash, began hanging onto its coattails. Consider Paul, properly called Schaul, who was a rabbinical student. As a Jew, Paul certainly knew that of all the peoples of the world the Jews, first and foremost, needed their souls saved. 'Go not … to the Gentiles, … But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel,' demanded Christ (Matthew 10:56). Paul ignored it. He went to the Greeks and the Romans and brought them his 'Christianity.' A 'Christianity' with which the Roman Empire became unhinged. 'All men are equal! Brotherhood! Pacifism! No more privileges!'… And the Jew triumphed." - Dietrich Eckart, "Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin, a conversation between Hitler and Me" (Eckart was honored in the second book of Mein Kampf)

"Today we recognise that the highest central values of the Roman and protestant churches, as a negative form of Christianity, do not correspond to our soul, that they stand in the way of the organic powers of the peoples determined by the Aryan race, that they have to make way for the latter, must allow themselves to be revalued in the sense of a Germanic Christianity. This is the meaning of the present search after religious truth." - Alfred Rosenberg. "The Myth of the Twentieth Century".

"The Party stands on the basis of Positive Christianity. Christianity is not dependent upon the Apostle's Creed" - Hans Kerrl, Reich Minister of Church Affairs.

Thus, under such arrangement they could use christian symbology and history, without being bound to christian doctrines or politics, something that was tolerable to the many vocally anti-clerical NSDAP members (like Rosenberg, Himmler, Hess, Bormann, Darré, Goebbels, Ley, Schirach and so on). It was also an important thing in order to gain power in a very christian country, and especially the loyalty of elements of the army, which always had shaky loyalty to the NSDAP and required massive bribes not to turn entirely inoperational because of treason, like Italy (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery_of_senior_Wehrmacht_officers).

It's important to notice, though that these efforts failed, due to the incessant opposition of cucked priests and bishops. Political christianity, the party of Angela Merkel today, was, at times, the main opponent of the NSDAP inside Germany - the priests opposed eugenics because "abortions are sinful" and even propped up militant groups like "The White Rose", in the middle of the war, effectively siding with the Rothschilds and the Soviets over the European people. No longer in need to gain power, the whole Positive Christianity psy-op and point 24 of the party programme were abandoned by 1941, leading to things like Bormann stating "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable" publicly and Hitler ordering Rosenberg to draft a 30-point plan of a National Reich Church to replace both denominations.

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Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Weißler
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Schneider_(pastor)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Koch
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Klausener
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willi_Graf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alojs_Andritzki
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Restituta_Kafka
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Gapp
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lampert
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Delp
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Grimm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Josef_Metzger
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Catholic_saints_and_blesseds_of_the_Nazi_era
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religious_workers_who_died_in_Nazi_concentration_camps
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Executed_Widerstand_Catholics
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_Barracks_of_Dachau_Concentration_Camp
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_Martyrs_of_World_War_II
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jehovah's_Witnesses_in_Nazi_Germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuits_and_Nazi_Germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessing_Church
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Action
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_resistance_to_Nazi_Germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Catholics_during_the_Holocaust
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_euthanasia_and_the_Catholic_Church
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pius_XII_and_the_German_Resistance
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_brennender_Sorge
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreisau_Circle
rationalwiki.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/positive-christianity/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchenkampf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Faith_Movement
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanenorden
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottgläubig
third-reich-books.com/product/positive-christianity-in-the-third-reich/
archive.org/stream/TheMythOfTheTwentiethCentury/Myth_djvu.txt
jrbooksonline.com/pdf_books/bolshevism_from_moses_to_lenin.pdf
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Now, the importance of saying this, as can be clear of NatSoc history, is that the churches are not the ones who will save us from international judaism, none of them are our allies - they use their massive resources not to oppose degeneracy but to actually import migrants into Europe. The hostily between the Third Reich and the churches was there for a reason. All of the churches are our enemies - not that we have outward hate towards them or they can't help at cases, but simply because they are not us, all of them oppose us. It's NATIONAL SOCIALISM and white BLOOD that will lead to the destruction of international judaism.

That goes as a saying to all those out of Zig Forums, although many of them aren't even white, who mindlessly apologise for the churches out of a faux "IDENTITY" and throw a meltdown over any slight criticism of the christianity, despite them being involved with pedophilia at cases and propping "missions" in Africa, feeding the niggers and keeping them artifically alive. Those who say so do not out of "hate of christianity", trust me, all we wish was it to be that simple and they to be our greatest allies, but we can see beyond that and it's time you fanatical apologists do that too and understand the NatSoc perspective. Stop parroting negative christianity.

Now, these efforts led to the creation of the "Deutsche Christian" movement, which was to unite the german protestant churches under Hitler, but as I already said, failed - and were carried out together with Kirchenkampf, that is, the systematical persecution of churches, in order to control them and remove their influence on public life. Religious schools, publications and associations were closed. Several priests were imprisoned and executed, even more so during the war, in the conquered territories, leading to several "Christians Martyrs of the Third Reich" and so on. Here is a list of a few notable ones (sorry for kikepedia):

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Weißler
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Schneider_(pastor)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Koch
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Klausener
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willi_Graf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alojs_Andritzki
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Restituta_Kafka
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Gapp
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lampert
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Delp
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Grimm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Josef_Metzger
Honestly there were countless people, it's an statistic:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Catholic_saints_and_blesseds_of_the_Nazi_era
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religious_workers_who_died_in_Nazi_concentration_camps
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Executed_Widerstand_Catholics
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_Barracks_of_Dachau_Concentration_Camp
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_Martyrs_of_World_War_II
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jehovah's_Witnesses_in_Nazi_Germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuits_and_Nazi_Germany
The shill groups they propped up (effectively siding with the Rothschilds and the Soviets over the European People):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessing_Church
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Action
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_resistance_to_Nazi_Germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Catholics_during_the_Holocaust
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuits_and_Nazi_Germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot (done by catholics primarily, not even actual kikes)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_euthanasia_and_the_Catholic_Church
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pius_XII_and_the_German_Resistance
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_brennender_Sorge
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreisau_Circle

Also important to notice that even then, elements of the Wehrmacht turned out as disloyal, especially those formely associated with Political Catholicism, like Paulus who turned on Germany, Stauffenberg who tried to assassinate Hitler, and the Abwehr military intelligence that gave false information to the army, the radar codes to the allies and so on. All part of the so-called "Schwarze Kapelle" along with christians and "german resistance" groups who cooperated with the Western Allies.

Nope. But…
The christian aryans are the ones who established the 3rd Reich. Without their help, nothing would have got done. pic related

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Good post.

Im not sure i have much to contribute to this subject. Hitler was a strong advocate of Christianity, but was thoroughly well read on religions including eastern, ancient, and esoteric religions. The full cuckery of the actual text of the bible had not yet been expressed by the church, and so the church still acted as a source of morality and beauty at the time.

The SS delved into paganism and esotericism, going back to before even indo-european pantheon style religions to bronze age sun worship and animal cults.

Ultimately the Reich was Christian but also made a conscious move to reintroduce pre-christian symbols, stories, and holiday customs. Their morality and political structure were also very pre-christian.

I'm very skeptical of Christianity, both it's actions historically, and the ethics advocated by the text. Western metaphysics and epistemology have very much been informed by Christian ideas and we have that to be thankful for.

Can anyone post the Hitler quote about National socialism being explicitly Christian and there being no room for nonchristian ideology within the movement?

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This one?

You do realize that this is an out-of-context passage from a journalist's remarks of a Hitler Speech from 1928, of which no original script survives. It's not just patently untrue, considering the several party members who were openly critical of christianity (Rosenberg, Himmler, Bormann, Hess, Darré, Goebbels), it was also indeed against the party programme.

It was translated by (((Richard Steigmann-Gall))), a "scholar" whose declared thesis was on how "christian" the Third Reich actually was, despite the overwhelming evidence against it. This, to get white christians to feel "guilt" and cuck, something the chosen people love to do.


Indeed, the German people established the 3rd Reich. These denomination numbers, however, look very different inside the NSDAP, especially the SS, the intelligence units being over 90% non-christian. And, as I said, the help and loyalty of those directly involved with the churches and political christianity, always waned.

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The plan was to make Hitler a new messiah AFTER THE WAR WAS WON. Kind of like Religion of Cuck™ has muhomo'd the pedo goatfucker but also Jesus. In practicality the new Adolfian Christianity, would be as close to mainstream Protestantism or Catholicism as Mormonism.

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Thanks, user.

Do you happen to know the context in which that was spoken? If not I'll go look it up.

pottery

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These allied propaganda pieces, the Rothschilds using christianity to rouse whites against "muh evil natzees", is something that really makes one think…

Also, I haven't seen the original (because there isn't any, most likely), but I'm pretty sure it's a "creative translation" of atheists - those who were indeed barred from membership in several NatSoc organizations. I think such description also goes against what is said on Mein Kampf multiple times.

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